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The industry will be back very quickly, even with the current sky is falling mentality that is prevailing. Even in China only a very smal % of people have been infected.

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2 hours ago, timbom said:

Have back to back cruises scheduled for mid April and really don't want cruise credit but want a refund or to take cruise as saheduled.  Also I have casino credits on these cruises.  Will they extend these also??  

 

For the time being have not cancelled but if another ship is affected plan on cancelling. 

 

I suspect the current credit only offer will change before by sail date as I really believe it is just a matter of time till ships are laid up like air planes due to health risks. 

 

Cancleing a lot of cruises is not going to happen, but the sky might fall. Between misinformation on social lmedia and the inept response by the US government there is no telling what the truth really is, but other than hoarders I see no real impact on the vast majority of the population.

 

If ships are laid up you can pretty much rest assured that refunds will not be issued except in the form of cruise credits, giving cash back to everyone who is scared will result in bankruptcy, and no one getting anything.

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1 hour ago, Syracusefan44 said:

After the announcement this morning by the CDC & State Department I for one am concerned that the government will decide to ban cruise ships from docking in the USA if the Coronavirus numbers continue to increase.
 

Seeing stock prices from CCL drop over 40%, bookings being cancelled, and the government warning USA citizens not to take a cruise it makes me wonder if the cruise industry as we know it today (Carnival, Princess, Holland America, Costa, Seabourn) or will we see consolidation.

 

My wife and I have a cruise booked to Greenland in August and we would to do a transatlantic in April. 

Uhhh   You do know that each and every one of the cruise lines you mentioned ARE owned by the same corporation?  

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IMO it will - recovered and survived quite well after 911 as well as other pandemic scares in the past.  This, too, shall pass.

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Cruising is a leisure activity, like casinos, or sports event, that is very different than flying etc. that have some form of required business continuity element as such will be looked at differently.

 

Of course a lock down is a lock down, and then the airlines will act to preserve cash and cost

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3 hours ago, GlamorousGirl said:

It’s impossible to quarantine everyone. If it was working we wouldn’t see the explosive spread we’re seeing.

 

It worked in China apparently, and seems to be working in S. Korea. Reports of new cases are dropping day by day.  

 

So -- it's not impossible to quarantine, but one has to have the collective will and the means to do it properly.

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That ALL cruise lines enforce a ban on any age passenger who refuses to wash their hands BEFORE  entering a buffet/MDR and would action be restrictive enough ? Just curious what all here think.

 

Mac

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2 minutes ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

It worked in China apparently, and seems to be working in S. Korea. Reports of new cases are dropping day by day.  

 

So -- it's not impossible to quarantine, but one has to have the collective will and the means to do it properly.

 

You can debate the type of government, but got to give credit where due ( though with China there is some skepticism that the numbers aren't real ), extreme lock down can slow / stop.  There was case study in the Spanish flu between two US cities one that didn't quarantine and one that did that had radically different death rates.   

 

Italy with their aged population and culture will be a most interesting case study

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1 minute ago, SmoothFlying said:

That ALL cruise lines enforce a ban on any age passenger who refuses to wash their hands BEFORE  entering a buffet/MDR and would action be restrictive enough ? Just curious what all here think.

 

Mac

Ok, now this is a funny thread and I am afraid it might get banned. No, you cant enforce people to wash hands. You cant enforce people to tie their shoes either lol. All you cab do is supply enough wet towels and bathrooms for people to go there. And this is maximum. You can also use a loud speaker and inform people about the importance of this hand washing “procedure”. This is like the only option which is really there. From another perspective I would just force people entering the restaurant or bar to use sanitizer at the entrance 

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3 hours ago, GlamorousGirl said:

KTS is right on. But even if the government has good intentions, these quarantines are totally futile. Symptoms don’t show right away, and many people who actually do have symptoms will either assume they have the flu or refuse to report themselves, either because they don’t want to be quarantined or don’t have insurance. It’s impossible to quarantine everyone. If it was working we wouldn’t see the explosive spread we’re seeing.

 

All a matter of culture and do you care about the larger community good, or yourself.   China is a funny country,  by some peoples prospective they are dishonest with terrible respect for IP, bribes and other traditional western judgement of morality, but for rally around the country our people they could exceed western moral cultures where the individual rights are held highest.

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29 minutes ago, Roger88 said:

Ok, now this is a funny thread and I am afraid it might get banned. No, you cant enforce people to wash hands.

Oh, I agree with YOU completely. However, we do have know-it-all political wiz kids ( in both political parties) in the clown circus on the Federal swamp who are convinced they have all the answers to every thing from making you wear your seatbelt to tied shoelaces. 😃 IF, 'they'here decide to censor/erase my question for whatever reason I'm not a 'troll' looking for a fight I just know how political ssoth-sayers love the 'rush to the rescue' limelight w/hairbrained suggestions. Just curious what others might think, that's all.

 

Mac 

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2 hours ago, FredT said:

Uhhh   You do know that each and every one of the cruise lines you mentioned ARE owned by the same corporation?  

 

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2 hours ago, That sinking feeling said:

No. The world will never be the same again. We will be living in caves and drinking ditch water. We're doomed.


I'm thinking that "Ditch Water" would be a great name for a dive bar in the Caribbean. You could have some fun drinks.

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4 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said:

... makes me wonder if the cruise industry as we know it today ... or will we see consolidation.

 

Any economic downturn leads to failures and/or consolidations.  However, the ships that have been built aren't going anywhere.  What may happen is that ship orders will be delayed/deferred for a time.  I don't see cruising going away anytime soon and will likely resume a growth trajectory soon - no more than 5 years.

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Have a cruise with family for March 21 on MSC Seaside.  Several of us have medical concerns and the govt suggests we do not go but cannot afford to lose my money.  MSC is dragging their feet compared to the other lines.  Worried in Florida 

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2 hours ago, FredT said:

Uhhh   You do know that each and every one of the cruise lines you mentioned ARE owned by the same corporation?  

I own over 350 shares of CCL stock so yes I am aware the cruise lines I named are all under the Carnival umbrella.  I was asking if consolidation of the number of cruise lines under Princess may happen if the cruise industry as a whole suffers major losses or the government imposes restrictions in the USA.

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People are breaking quarantine without realizing it because testing in the US is lagging so badly, and it is transmissable w/o any symptoms. Completely opposite situation in S Korea where they just did massive testing.

 

Yes some people are being irresponsible, but no one can be blamed for being a spreader if they have no symptoms and no test results showing they do.

 

Also, a third Princess ship is being held on a trip thru the Panama Canal. Because two crew were transferred to that one from the other affected Princess ship. Moving crew around from an affected ship to another is an oblivious move on the part of the cruise line. https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/03/09/a-third-princess-cruise-ship-kept-at-sea-pending-virus-tests/23944990/

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30 minutes ago, Syracusefan44 said:

I own over 350 shares of CCL stock so yes I am aware the cruise lines I named are all under the Carnival umbrella.  I was asking if consolidation of the number of cruise lines under Princess may happen if the cruise industry as a whole suffers major losses or the government imposes restrictions in the USA.

No prob....   Just looked as if you were did not know and were wondering if the lines in question would have to merge in order to survive.   

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28 minutes ago, sayanne said:

People are breaking quarantine without realizing it because testing in the US is lagging so badly, and it is transmissable w/o any symptoms. Completely opposite situation in S Korea where they just did massive testing.

 

Yes some people are being irresponsible, but no one can be blamed for being a spreader if they have no symptoms and no test results showing they do.

 

Also, a third Princess ship is being held on a trip thru the Panama Canal. Because two crew were transferred to that one from the other affected Princess ship. Moving crew around from an affected ship to another is an oblivious move on the part of the cruise line. https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/03/09/a-third-princess-cruise-ship-kept-at-sea-pending-virus-tests/23944990/

I've wondered about why crew would be moving from ship to ship. On cruises where I have spoken with crew they are on board until their contract ends at which time they go home for a break. Upon returning they can be assigned to another ship. IMO I am thinking that the "crew" which are moving from ship to ship may actually be some of the entertainment staff which are brought on board for several nights and then move to another ship. 

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51 minutes ago, SSelinger said:

Have a cruise with family for March 21 on MSC Seaside.  Several of us have medical concerns and the govt suggests we do not go but cannot afford to lose my money.  MSC is dragging their feet compared to the other lines.  Worried in Florida 

MSC is not implementing a new cancellation policy like the other major lines?

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5 minutes ago, 4everOrcruiser said:

I've wondered about why crew would be moving from ship to ship. On cruises where I have spoken with crew they are on board until their contract ends at which time they go home for a break. Upon returning they can be assigned to another ship. IMO I am thinking that the "crew" which are moving from ship to ship may actually be some of the entertainment staff which are brought on board for several nights and then move to another ship. 


They might not be employees. Contracted headliners. They often get off ships at one port and hop on another ship. 

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5 hours ago, Potstech said:

When were ALL airplanes cancelled for a disease?

Because of a disease, not aware of it happening.  I do know that the federal government  did ground all airplanes when it deemed their flying to be a threat to the country.  

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Many people are saying they don't want to cancel their cruise, but are really afraid of being quarantined for 14 days, either on a ship or at some military base.  Considering that it is currently being reported that it might take several days to "safely" get everyone off of the Grand Princess that docked in Oakland, and that the government cannot continue trying to quarantine 3,000, or more, people at a time, how long do you think it will be until they stop trying to do it, or simply cancel all cruises?  What will they do if two ships ( maybe 8,000 total passengers) arrive at Port Everglades at the same time with evidence of virus stricken passengers?  Is it time that they just shut everything down, including flights?  Maybe it is, or wait until the next ship occurs and then use that to say"we can't keep doing this quarantine thing".  Just wondering.

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