More Cancellations Imminent?

[jeanlyon]

9 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Not sufficient Sims out there for the number of non flying pilots.

They don't all have to do it at once!!  Loads are redundant anyway.

 

Just can't see Caribbean cruises starting this year though, that's for sure.

Edited June 13, 2020 by jeanlyon

[zap99]

On 6/11/2020 at 10:08 AM, terrierjohn said:

Hindsight is always a wonderful thing Selbourne, but doing nothing in this situation was not an option, although economically it might have been the best option.  The death rate might have been up to half a million, mostly elderly and those with underlying health conditions, which would have pushed back the care crisis by 10 or 20 years, and reduced the pressure on the NHS by killing off a significant number of future cases.  Leaving the survivors with a high herd immunity and the ability  to get the economy going rapidly and possibly resulting in a major improvement in general standards of living.

Why on earth didn't we follow this strategy.

I can think of half a million reasons.

[wowzz]

1 hour ago, jeanlyon said:

They don't all have to do it at once!!  Loads are redundant anyway.

 

Just can't see Caribbean cruises starting this year though, that's for sure.

We just had a pilot on furlough do some decorating for us. He made an excellent job of the landing.

[Captain_Morgan]

I don’t think wowzz is over exaggerating anything as many valid points have been made even if some see it as doom and gloom.  

In no particular order of importance, how can cruising resume when countries are still closed to tourism?  Most countries including the UK have mandatory quarantine measures in place which will curtail most people’s travel plans including itinerary planning.  Given the lack of a proven vaccine and lack of insurance for COVID related claims, this will also be a road block for the industry to get back up and running.  Let’s also not forget the fact that most companies are busy repatriating their crew to far flung places around the globe, all of which have varying degrees of quarantine and travel restrictions which will have an effect on getting crew back to ships.   And let’s not forget the fact ships are not conveniently located near a turnaround port, nor are they presumably in any state to be fully operational and/or compliant with as yet unknown public health regulations?

 

The list of issues could go on and on but at the risk of also being labeled as ‘doom and gloom’ I will leave it there.  Suffice it to say, I think this year is a write off and if cruising resumes before the Spring it will be a bonus but given the obvious resurgence of virus spread in the US I wouldn’t be surprised if the same happened in the UK. 

[zap99]

6 minutes ago, Captain_Morgan said:

I don’t think wowzz is over exaggerating anything as many valid points have been made even if some see it as doom and gloom.  

In no particular order of importance, how can cruising resume when countries are still closed to tourism?  Most countries including the UK have mandatory quarantine measures in place which will curtail most people’s travel plans including itinerary planning.  Given the lack of a proven vaccine and lack of insurance for COVID related claims, this will also be a road block for the industry to get back up and running.  Let’s also not forget the fact that most companies are busy repatriating their crew to far flung places around the globe, all of which have varying degrees of quarantine and travel restrictions which will have an effect on getting crew back to ships.   And let’s not forget the fact ships are not conveniently located near a turnaround port, nor are they presumably in any state to be fully operational and/or compliant with as yet unknown public health regulations?

 

The list of issues could go on and on but at the risk of also being labeled as ‘doom and gloom’ I will leave it there.  Suffice it to say, I think this year is a write off and if cruising resumes before the Spring it will be a bonus but given the obvious resurgence of virus spread in the US I wouldn’t be surprised if the same happened in the UK. 

Apart from that, looking good isn't it 😂

[Josy1953]

On 6/11/2020 at 9:44 AM, Selbourne said:

Not so John. We know a number of people who have had operations postponed, including things like knee operations. Can’t imagine that the surgeon who would have performed that knee Op is treating Covid-19 patients with respiratory issues. Completely different specialism. 

I don't know what the surgeons have or have not been doing but bear in mind that the surgeons are highly qualified and are able to work on things outside their speciality.  It is very unlikely that they have sat at home twiddling their thumbs.  My niece is an OTP but has spent most of the last 3 months working on the wards in other areas of the hospital including with the covid patients, she is now back in the theatre which is where she is most qualified to work.

[terrierjohn]

57 minutes ago, Captain_Morgan said:

I don’t think wowzz is over exaggerating anything as many valid points have been made even if some see it as doom and gloom.  

In no particular order of importance, how can cruising resume when countries are still closed to tourism?  Most countries including the UK have mandatory quarantine measures in place which will curtail most people’s travel plans including itinerary planning.  Given the lack of a proven vaccine and lack of insurance for COVID related claims, this will also be a road block for the industry to get back up and running.  Let’s also not forget the fact that most companies are busy repatriating their crew to far flung places around the globe, all of which have varying degrees of quarantine and travel restrictions which will have an effect on getting crew back to ships.   And let’s not forget the fact ships are not conveniently located near a turnaround port, nor are they presumably in any state to be fully operational and/or compliant with as yet unknown public health regulations?

 

The list of issues could go on and on but at the risk of also being labeled as ‘doom and gloom’ I will leave it there.  Suffice it to say, I think this year is a write off and if cruising resumes before the Spring it will be a bonus but given the obvious resurgence of virus spread in the US I wouldn’t be surprised if the same happened in the UK. 

But how long will all those issues last? 

BJ is already talking about multiple airbridges, and FCO travel restrictions won't last forever, and holiday destinations are already trying woo back customers. 

The end is nigh.😁

[drsel]

Don't worry a vaccine is on its way soon.

Astra zeneca, Gilead, etc have already started trials.

Some report that AstraZeneca has already started production also.

it's only a matter of time before we can access it.

be positive and think positive!

 

 

[wowzz]

5 hours ago, drsel said:

Don't worry a vaccine is on its way soon.

Astra zeneca, Gilead, etc have already started trials.

Some report that AstraZeneca has already started production also.

it's only a matter of time before we can access it.

be positive and think positive!

 

 

Yes, in 5 years time everything might be fine. "Don't panic Mr Mainwairing" 

[Bertie Doe]

7 hours ago, wowzz said:

Yes, in 5 years time everything might be fine. "Don't panic Mr Mainwairing" 

 

I've read on the internet (so it must be true) that the side effect of any vaccine is likely to cause hydrophobia and claustrophobia. 5 years you say, that's not going to please us chronophobia sufferers.🤕

[AndyMichelle]

It might take 5 years to get back to where we were, but the gradual steps have already started. 

I have just seen a graph saying the overall death rate is already below what would be expected for this time of year, so that must be a positive? 

The seaside goers and last weeks protesters have not (I don't think) caused a massive spike in the numbers yet. 

There might be a second wave, but there might not... 

As always in this country, 70% of people act responsibly, 30% do what they like, it will never change. 

Lets just hope that the attempts to get us back to normality don't have a detrimental effect. 

All we can do is dip our toe and see, we can't just sit back and wait, it could be a very long wait... 

Andy 

[Twogreynomads]

Agree with you Andy,we cannot just hide indoors for ever.

Viv

[bee-ess]

On 6/12/2020 at 10:42 PM, terrierjohn said:

If cruising is to restart in Nov/Dec then I feel certain that P&O will want to get Britannia and Azura over to the Caribbean.  That is the major winter cruising destination for the USA so both the cruise industry and the Caribbean cruise ports will be desperate for it to commence.  Plus the airlines will also be extremely keen to have their planes back in action. 

 

I agree, P&O have cancelled up to the 15th October with the hope of getting Azura out there on the 16th October and Britannia on the 23rd. I think that the Islands will welcome the cruises for their economy that depends on tourism.

If this can happen in this timeframe we will have to see but I think that is their aim.

[mercury7289]

You dip your toes folks, then give me a sign on how it went!

 

[AndyMichelle]

37 minutes ago, mercury7289 said:

You dip your toes folks, then give me a sign on how it went!

 

We all have to do what we feel is right for us. 

I am back at work, keeping as safe as possible, Michelle hasn't been out for 3 months. 

We wont be cruising until many have dipped their toes, but the process will start fairly soon. 

Insurance will get sorted, an acceptable level of safety will return, it won't be overnight but it will happen. 

Andy 

[jeanlyon]

I'm back at work too.  Fairly easy where I am, small office, usually working with just one other.  We have screens up etc.

[Adawn47]

8 hours ago, Bertie Doe said:

 

I've read on the internet (so it must be true) that the side effect of any vaccine is likely to cause hydrophobia and claustrophobia. 5 years you say, that's not going to please us chronophobia sufferers.🤕

I'm suffering from the first two phobias now. Terrified to leave the house and terrified of getting on a ship. Cause covid19. 😉

Avril 

Edited June 14, 2020 by Adawn47

[jeanlyon]

Just seen that Dr Fauci thinks the US will remain closed to tourists for months until there is a proven vaccine.

[ann141]

6 hours ago, mercury7289 said:

You dip your toes folks, then give me a sign on how it went!

 

We will be dipping our toes if P and O don't extend the 15 October cancellations as our cruise is on Arcadia on 18 October!

[jeanlyon]

Same cruise as me.  Already taken an FCC for it.  There is no way I was paying the balance on that.

[Eddie99]

Me too 

 

I really wonder if we shall ever cruise again.  Lovely if we do.  Still have cruises booked for 2021 which I can’t see happening at the moment

Also January 2022.  I have a very slight hope for that one but, seriously, cruising is the least of our worries just now, isn’t it?

[zap99]

6 hours ago, mercury7289 said:

You dip your toes folks, then give me a sign on how it went!

 

We will cruise as soon as they start again. If it all goes well, we will book another. If everyone finds out all was good, the prices will go up,so mums the word.

[jeanlyon]

Have to say I'm not bothered at the minute.  Want to see them restart and see what it's like.  Having cancelled October, our next booking is April 2021.  We will see.

[ann141]

24 minutes ago, jeanlyon said:

Same cruise as me.  Already taken an FCC for it.  There is no way I was paying the balance on that.

We are going to wait until a lot nearer the balance is due date(20 July) If P and O cancel it before then we will get a refund but if the Covid situation has improved by then we will possibly pay the balance.Things are changing all the time and I would sooner wait until mid July before making my decision

[jeanlyon]

Yes I could have done that, but did it while they were offering FCC or Transfer.  After 2 days, they took away the offer of FCC and it was only transfer.  Now there is nothing at all.  As you say, it changes daily.

 

I see no cruises going before next year.