Proof of Vax or Not. Would you cruise

[MRVEGAS711]

No vaccine card, no cruise for me. Sick of people who think their constitutional rights trump my safety.

[Honolulu Blue]

21 hours ago, Luckiestmanonearth said:

let me ask more generically, would you cruise if the cruise line did not require proof of vaccination

 

I thought about this and it's a surprisingly close call for me.  I said "yes", but not for all cruise lines or all cruises and there are strings attached.

 

My next scheduled cruise is in September, not on Carnival, not from the U.S.  They say that all passengers and crew will be vaccinated and be required to prove it.  I'm pretty sure it will go and be a good, eventless time - unless Irma's kid sister decides to show up and ruin everything.

 

My next scheduled cruise after that is in March, also not on Carnival, but from the U.S.  The cruise line is running earlier cruises elsewhere with adult passengers and crew required to be vaccinated.  They're silent on whether they will do so for cruises out of the U.S.  The charter company (did I mention that this is a charter?) has been silent on the vaccination thing.  I'm hopeful that this will go as planned.  Making this fully vaccinated would help a lot (IMHO) because of the age and type of passengers that I expect to be there and what we all plan to do.  But ultimately it doesn't matter, because I'm going to go regardless - if they'll let me on, which is another story for another time.

 

I could sneak in another cruise around January, which may or may not be on Carnival.  To book this one I would need assurance that there's a very low chance that anyone gets onboard with the virus (either through a vaccine requirement or testing that's been proven efficient) or, if the worst does happen, the ports and the CDC don't get freaked out about it.  We'll see.

[Sugar67]

we will both be vaccinated next week but do not have the luxury of extending our vacation if we had to stay extra time in Florida after the cruise.  I am not sure when Canadian border will open either so seriously doubting we will be on our October cruise even if it does happen 😢

[CruisingFromLA]

The issue that I have is the potential of the unvaccinated ruining the entire cruise for everyone else on board. Not only will the cruise terminate early, but everyone on board will have to quarantine in their rooms until we get back to port if the Covid cases reach a certain level. For now, I think we should do everything possible to mitigate risk and that means only allowing those vaccinated on board until things improve.

[jonbgd]

If everyone is vaccinated than we wouldnt need to wear masks

can you imagine the tan line, if i had to  wear a mask, while wearing my speedos at the pool😲

[naxer]

Easily, yes, I would cruise.  I'm vaccinated. I have one solo booked in September, one booked in November with another person who may or may not get vaccinated, and one with two other people in February who are refusing to get vaccinated.  I run in a very mixed crowd and love and respect them all.  They all have their good reasons.  I'm willing to take the chance on the cruise being interrupted or my being inconvenienced, which is a legitimate consideration.  I wish the CDC would work as hard to figure out the best way to do this as they do to stall it.  I believe this is our life for the next several years and it's time to get on figuring out how to live with it.  I also believe that nobody wants to keep their cruisers healthy as much as the cruise lines do (as that's the best way they're going to make money).

[naxer]

1 hour ago, jonbgd said:

If everyone is vaccinated than we wouldnt need to wear masks

can you imagine the tan line, if i had to  wear a mask, while wearing my speedos at the pool😲

I cannot imagine...picture?😃

[sanmarcosman]

14 minutes ago, naxer said:

I cannot imagine...picture?😃

There's a popular one on the web of a couple on cruise with sun burned faces and mask lines. Google it if you like.

[topaz123]

Interesting question...vax or no vax.. cruise or no cruise.....why exactly are we getting the Covid shots?

Edited April 25, 2021 by topaz123

[Radiioman46]

I hope that everyone remembers that at the beginning of this pandemic where the Princess Diamond showed up with a large group of covid patients, there was NO MITIGATION back then. 

 

No masks, no social distancing, no test shots, and no vaccines. They only were using wash hands, sanitizers for hands.

 

Do you actually think that today with all the improvements that these ships have made regarding ventilations systems, you have to be served at the Buffet on Lido, well you have to be served everywhere now.

 

If the ships don't require vaccines, still, most of the passenges will be vaccinated, and if not, they will be tested. 

 

So why O why are we still stuck in this FEAR? 

 

With or without vaccinations, cruising will be more safe than staying at home. For example, do you really think you are safer at Walmart than being on a cruise ship?

 

Get a life and let's go cruising everyone!

 

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Radiioman46

[BlerkOne]

9 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

I hope that everyone remembers that at the beginning of this pandemic where the Princess Diamond showed up with a large group of covid patients, there was NO MITIGATION back then. 

 

No masks, no social distancing, no test shots, and no vaccines. They only were using wash hands, sanitizers for hands.

 

They had covid tests and they had quarantine. I also remember they were no allowed to disembark the ship for a period of time. Stuck on a death ship.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7156812/

 

9 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

 

Do you actually think that today with all the improvements that these ships have made regarding ventilations systems, you have to be served at the Buffet on Lido, well you have to be served everywhere now.

 

I know so.

 

9 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

 

If the ships don't require vaccines, still, most of the passenges will be vaccinated, and if not, they will be tested. 

They will be tested regardless.

 

9 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

 

So why O why are we still stuck in this FEAR? 

 

Indeed. Why are so many afraid of a liitle jab?

 

9 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

 

With or without vaccinations, cruising will be more safe than staying at home. For example, do you really think you are safer at Walmart than being on a cruise ship?

 

Yes!

 

 

9 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

 

 

 

 

 

[Radiioman46]

32 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

I hope that everyone remembers that at the beginning of this pandemic where the Princess Diamond showed up with a large group of covid patients, there was NO MITIGATION back then. 

 

No masks, no social distancing, no test shots, and no vaccines. They only were using wash hands, sanitizers for hands.

 

Do you actually think that today with all the improvements that these ships have made regarding ventilations systems, you have to be served at the Buffet on Lido, well you have to be served everywhere now.

 

If the ships don't require vaccines, still, most of the passenges will be vaccinated, and if not, they will be tested. 

 

So why O why are we still stuck in this FEAR? 

 

With or without vaccinations, cruising will be more safe than staying at home. For example, do you really think you are safer at Walmart than being on a cruise ship?

 

Get a life and let's go cruising everyone!

 

 

Correction to this line: (

Do you actually think that today with all the improvements that these ships have made regarding ventilations systems, you have to be served at the Buffet on Lido, well you have to be served everywhere now.)

 

That thought wasn't finished.

 

Here is what I should have said:

Correction to this line: (

Do you actually think that today with all the improvements that these ships have made regarding ventilations systems, and that you have to be served at the Buffet on Lido, as well as  everywhere now, that the safety hasn't been improved?

Edited April 25, 2021 by Radiioman46

[Radiioman46]

Radio said:

(With or without vaccinations, cruising will be more safe than staying at home. For example, do you really think you are safer at Walmart than being on a cruise ship?)

B1 Said:

Yes!

 

That's ridiculous! 

[BlerkOne]

29 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

Radio said:

(With or without vaccinations, cruising will be more safe than staying at home. For example, do you really think you are safer at Walmart than being on a cruise ship?)

B1 Said:

Yes!

 

That's ridiculous! 

Not at all. Masks are required at Walmart. People aren't pretending to eat or drink. Exposure time is measured in minutes, not days.

 

As for really staying at home, accidents happen on cruise ships, too. But there are full blown hospitals with trauma centers near home.

 

Foolish are people who think they are safer at sea.

[BlerkOne]

37 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

Correction to this line: (

Do you actually think that today with all the improvements that these ships have made regarding ventilations systems, you have to be served at the Buffet on Lido, well you have to be served everywhere now.)

 

That thought wasn't finished.

 

Here is what I should have said:

Correction to this line: (

Do you actually think that today with all the improvements that these ships have made regarding ventilations systems, and that you have to be served at the Buffet on Lido, as well as  everywhere now, that the safety hasn't been improved?

Safety has been improved as long as:

a) They actually have made improvements

b) They don't roll them back

[Radiioman46]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

Safety has been improved as long as:

a) They actually have made improvements

b) They don't roll them back

So, you're suggesting that the Cruise Lines are lying to us about the improvements they have made?

If you don't trust the Cruise Lines, then I guess you will never go on another cruise ship anyway. So why do you even bother with this forum in the first place? Just curious...........

 

And then you think that they will roll them back? I think you must be talking about the protocols, and sure, there will come a time when some of them can be dropped or rolled back. That's no big deal. 

[BlerkOne]

16 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

So, you're suggesting that the Cruise Lines are lying to us about the improvements they have made?

If you don't trust the Cruise Lines, then I guess you will never go on another cruise ship anyway. So why do you even bother with this forum in the first place? Just curious...........

 

I haven't seen what has actually been implemented vs talked about. Carnival can't even convince a judge they are taking the environment seriously. They don't have a good track record of following up on promises.

 

I have a number of cruises booked. Vaccines, masks, and social distancing will help keep them safe. I'm not sure how much of a difference filtered air is going to make if they can't even get smoke to disappear from the casino.

 

16 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

And then you think that they will roll them back? I think you must be talking about the protocols, and sure, there will come a time when some of them can be dropped or rolled back. That's no big deal. 

They might forget maintenance again.

[Purvis1231]

On 4/24/2021 at 9:01 AM, Luckiestmanonearth said:

 

 

Personally I don’t think I would .  Not because of the fear of getting Covid (since I’m vaxed), but potentially being stranded on the ship if it gets quarantined.

 

Thoughts?

I pray the authorities have realized that quarantining people on the ship in middle of an outbreak was a  MISTAKE.  If there is an out break the ship should return to it homeport and disembark the passengers to quarantine at home, hotels, or hispitals. Remember ship have been sailing for months in Europe with only a handful of cases. The vaccine rate in Europe is far less than in the United States and the UK. 

[BlerkOne]

40 minutes ago, Purvis1231 said:

What is this based on? All I have have read indicates there is a COVID-19 vaccine.  Also, according to the CDC if you are exposed to a person infected with COVID, you do not need to quarantine if you are fully vaccinated and show no symptoms. 

The covid vaccines prevent infection, period. Not 100%, but then, neither does natural immunity.

[BlerkOne]

Europe is saying fully vaccinated Americans will be able to vacation in Europe this summer. If allowed to cruise, that certainly beats the Bahamas or Bermuda.

[SNJCruisers]

10 hours ago, CruisingFromLA said:

The issue that I have is the potential of the unvaccinated ruining the entire cruise for everyone else on board. Not only will the cruise terminate early, but everyone on board will have to quarantine in their rooms until we get back to port if the Covid cases reach a certain level. For now, I think we should do everything possible to mitigate risk and that means only allowing those vaccinated on board until things improve.

From your lips to idiot CEO Arnold Donald's ears.  But since he has said that Carnival will not require vaccines, either he changes his mind or you change your cruise line.

[BlerkOne]

57 minutes ago, SNJCruisers said:

From your lips to idiot CEO Arnold Donald's ears.  But since he has said that Carnival will not require vaccines, either he changes his mind or you change your cruise line.

Once again,the was speaking for Corp, not individual cruise lines.

[Luckiestmanonearth]

Hello.  OP here again and wanted to thank everyone for their votes and comments .  Seems like a 50/50 split

 

Honestly I don’t think I changed my opinion.  Again I’m vaxed and that’s not my main concern.  It’s more about my fear of not being allowed to leave the ship after the cruise if there’s a Covid outbreak amongst non vaxed passengers.

 

This is the wildcard that isn’t being addressed by the cruise lines and how they would handle this cause no one really knows until it happens.

[sparks1093]

On 4/24/2021 at 6:06 PM, Radiioman46 said:

I believe that whether cruise ships required vaxes or not, the majority of pax would be vaxed, or tested.So, it really shouldn't be such a big deal. 

 

How many ppl died from Walmart? They have never been shut down, and for all of 2020 there were no vaxes either. Just saying...........

 

I haven't read through all the responses yet and suspect someone will have pointed this out but how many people spend a full week at Walmart? (I am still in the "I go whether or not it's required" camp.)

[ontheweb]

On 4/24/2021 at 12:33 PM, ontheweb said:

I said we would not cruise without proof of vaccinations, but how would they verify that you have been vaccinated. As has been said, the CDC card would be too easy to forge.

 

My DW received an e-mail from her school district. She may have been exposed to Covid from another staff member. She might have to quarantine. She will receive a call from the NY State Health Department. She got the call today, and gave them the information from the card. That should exempt her from having to quarantine since it now the position of the CDC that those having had their vaccinations do not need to quarantine. Their response was they would get back to her tomorrow after verifying her vaccination information.

 

Now if a state health department needs a day to verify, how is a cruise line supposed to verify thousands at embarkation?

And to follow up, they never called back yesterday. DW is technically in quarantine even though the CDC says no quarantine after fully vaccinated because the state health department can't be counted on to verify even though the shots were through our county's health department. (If you try to call the phone number that called about quarantining, there is a message to call your county health department.