Dress Code

[vjmatty]

5 hours ago, scottca075 said:

 

But....  but...  but..... "Business Casual" isn't "dressing up"; it is just slacks and a collared shirt. Dressing up would be a suit, a coat & tie or tuxedo.

 

I am afraid that is relative.  When I lived in the Adirondacks, "dress pants" meant clean jeans without holes.  I remember times out in town wearing black jeans or a tank dress, I'd get "What are you all dressed up for?"

[iancal]

We have not bothered with dress clothes for 15 plus years.  We find that the MDR on formal evenings continues to go downhill.  Why bother?

 

Since retiring ten years ago we travel frequently and with carry on only.  No issue for me to dress in casual slacks and a collared shirt.  But jacket, tie, dress shoes?  On a vacation or during extended travel?  No thanks.  We both passed on that a long time ago.

Edited May 22, 2021 by iancal

[Lady Arwen]

9 minutes ago, iancal said:

We have not bothered with dress clothes for 15 plus years.  We find that the MDR on formal evenings continues to go downhill.  Why bother?

 

Since retiring ten years ago we travel frequently and with carry on only.  No issue for me to dress in casual slacks and a collared shirt.  But jacket, tie, dress shoes?  On a vacation or during extended travel?  No thanks.  We both passed on that a long time ago.

I think long pants and a collared shirt are just fine for the MDR!  My husband brings a nice sport coat and wears that on formal night, if he feels so inclined.  Sometimes he just adds a nice pullover sweater.  No suits anymore!

[caribill]

6 hours ago, scottca075 said:

 

But....  but...  but..... "Business Casual" isn't "dressing up"; it is just slacks and a collared shirt. Dressing up would be a suit, a coat & tie or tuxedo.

 

To many retired men in South Florida, "business casual" would be nice, ironed shorts with a fresh polo shirt.

 

Formal would be slacks and a buttoned shirt.

 

A suit or tuxedo would be out of the question.

[c-boy]

1 hour ago, voljeep said:

and also all the posters who have actually never cruised on Princess or have stated ( some multiple times ) how they will never cruise on Princess again 

 

what's up with that ????

BAZINGA !

[KeepCalmBearOn]

1 hour ago, voljeep said:

business casual IS dressing up ... suit, coat & tie or tuxedo would be for a wedding, or unfortunately a  funeral ...

 

1 hour ago, vjmatty said:

I am afraid that is relative.  When I lived in the Adirondacks, "dress pants" meant clean jeans without holes.  I remember times out in town wearing black jeans or a tank dress, I'd get "What are you all dressed up for?"

 

I'm not retired, work in corporate America and attend a LOT of conferences and our annual rewards trip for our high achievers. Every event at these events has a Dress Code attached to it in the Program Guide. Everyone understands what "Business Casual" means, which as I laid out is slacks and a collared shirt. No one would ever wear shorts, no matter how well pressed to an event labeled "Business Casual".

 

Well pressed shorts and a collared shirt is "Resort Casual". "Business Attire" means a suit, but you could get away with a sport coat, tie and slacks. "Formal Attire" means a tuxedo.

 

As an aside, our senior management's decision to make our final night awards banquet, "Formal" went over like a led balloon for our Maui event.

 

3 minutes ago, caribill said:

To many retired men in South Florida, "business casual" would be nice, ironed shorts with a fresh polo shirt. Formal would be slacks and a buttoned shirt. A suit or tuxedo would be out of the question.

 

If you are retired you dress any damn way you want, but you don't get to change generally accepted definitions. No reasonable person in the working world would think that a dress code that contains the word "business" would include shorts, no matter how nice. (unless you are conducting business in Bermuda)

[voljeep]

2 minutes ago, scottca075 said:

work in corporate America and attend a LOT of conferences and our annual rewards trip for our high achievers. Every event at these events has a Dress Code attached to it in the Program Guide. Everyone understands what "Business Casual" means, which as I laid out is slacks and a collared shirt. No one would ever wear shorts, no matter how well pressed to an event labeled "Business Casual".

i'm not sure anyone has ever confused a Business conference dress code with a smart casual situation when on vacation on a cruise ship in a mdr ...

[PrincessLuver]

6 minutes ago, scottca075 said:

 

 

I'm not retired, work in corporate America and attend a LOT of conferences and our annual rewards trip for our high achievers. Every event at these events has a Dress Code attached to it in the Program Guide. Everyone understands what "Business Casual" means, which as I laid out is slacks and a collared shirt. No one would ever wear shorts, no matter how well pressed to an event labeled "Business Casual".

 

Well pressed shorts and a collared shirt is "Resort Casual". "Business Attire" means a suit, but you could get away with a sport coat, tie and slacks. "Formal Attire" means a tuxedo.

 

As an aside, our senior management's decision to make our final night awards banquet, "Formal" went over like a led balloon for our Maui event.

 

 

If you are retired you dress any damn way you want, but you don't get to change generally accepted definitions. No reasonable person in the working world would think that a dress code that contains the word "business" would include shorts, no matter how nice. (unless you are conducting business in Bermuda)

Or Hawaii.......

[KeepCalmBearOn]

1 hour ago, iancal said:

Since retiring ten years ago we travel frequently and with carry on only.  No issue for me to dress in casual slacks and a collared shirt.  But jacket, tie, dress shoes?  On a vacation or during extended travel?  No thanks.  We both passed on that a long time ago.

 

Because I wear a business suit five days a week and have for 30 years, I HATE dressing up, especially on vacation. I too do carry-on for 80% of my vacations, but given how cold airplanes can be I wear a sport coat and khaki slacks on the plane. I may never wear them again the rest of the trip, but I don't want to be excluded from dining someplace during the trip for lack of them.

 

I don't take a coat or long pants to Maui, Kauai or the Big Island because I can't think of a single restaurant on any of them, including Spago, that require them. I do on Oahu because a few of my favorite spots still require them.

[KeepCalmBearOn]

10 minutes ago, voljeep said:

i'm not sure anyone has ever confused a Business conference dress code with a smart casual situation when on vacation on a cruise ship in a mdr ...

 

The definitions do not change. Just because you can get away with putting on a sport coat on "Formal" night on Princess (or RCI, or whomever) doesn't mean the definition of Formal Wear has changed. It means those cruise lines don't want to enforce the code.

 

I don't take a tux on Princess because I know I don't have to. I do on Cunard because I know I have to. I would on Princess if they enforced rules like Cunard does, but I don't have to because.... well you get the idea.

[wowzz]

1 minute ago, scottca075 said:

I don't take a tux on Princess because I know I don't have to. I do on Cunard because I know I have to. I would on Princess if they enforced rules like Cunard does, but I don't have to because.... well you get the idea.

I take a tuxedo, because I don't have a sports jacket. 

I think sports jackets must be a particularly American obsession,  certainly compared to the UK.  The only people I see wearing them here are the over 80s!  

[caribill]

In my working life if anyone showed up at the office in a suit or even with a tie on, everyone else knew that person was interviewing for a job elsewhere that day.

 

I remember one formal evening on a cruise where someone showed up in the dining room with a (nice) cowboy hat on. When questioned he said "In west Texas, this is formal."

[1965]

11 hours ago, caribill said:

 

Your questions are answered above in red.

Not sure but I think the questions were tongue in cheek, meant to be funny, which they were. 😂

[voljeep]

6 minutes ago, caribill said:

In my working life if anyone showed up at the office in a suit or even with a tie on, everyone else knew that person was interviewing for a job elsewhere that day.

 

I remember one formal evening on a cruise where someone showed up in the dining room with a (nice) cowboy hat on. When questioned he said "In west Texas, this is formal."

and we saw a gentleman in a nice plaid shirt, clean overalls, and a John Deere hat get escorted to his table by a 'white jacket dude'

 

that was the gentleman's best Sunday attire, I'm guessing - and good for him ... he might have been a part of putting that food on the table that you ate while 'dressed up' for picture night in the atrium

[Esprit]

Regardless of what is or isn’t smart casual the feeling here in the U.K. is that cruisers want to dress up every cruise night on their staycation cruises.

Me and the wife certainly will on Celebrity Silhouette this July. That’s if she can’t still get into her chic attire 😂

Edited May 22, 2021 by Esprit

[KeepCalmBearOn]

51 minutes ago, caribill said:

In my working life if anyone showed up at the office in a suit or even with a tie on, everyone else knew that person was interviewing for a job elsewhere that day. I remember one formal evening on a cruise where someone showed up in the dining room with a (nice) cowboy hat on. When questioned he said "In west Texas, this is formal."

 

I work in the finance/investment arena, if anyone in a customer facing role showed up at the office not in a suit, they'd be sent home. Back office, IT, etc aren't expected to wear suits.

 

When Bear Bryant was asked why he wasn't wearing his noted houndstooth hat in the Sugar Bowl (in the Superdome) he replied, "Mama said when you go indoors you take off your hat."

 

52 minutes ago, wowzz said:

I take a tuxedo, because I don't have a sports jacket. 

I think sports jackets must be a particularly American obsession,  certainly compared to the UK.  The only people I see wearing them here are the over 80s!  

 

Perhaps it is a translation problem. What I am referring to as a "sports coat" is also called a blazer or tailored jacket and I see them all the time in London, especially in the Carlton Club where jackets and ties are required.

 

5 minutes ago, Esprit said:

Regardless of what is or isn’t smart casual the feeling here in the U.K. is that cruisers want to dress up every cruise night on their staycation cruises. Me and the wife certainly will on Celebrity Silhouette this July. That’s if she can’t still get into her chic attire 😂

 

What is a "staycation cruise"? Anything starting in the UK? I've been on quite a few European cruises, Baltic to Aegean and everything in between with gentlemen from the UK named Onslow, who seemed to feel differently.

 

[Esprit]

Staycation has become a common term for a holiday to nowhere outside the UK

Most of the cruise lines have cruises out of Southampton either going nowhere or to a few British ports like Liverpool, Inverness and Belfast.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Esprit

[MishelleMcc]

On 5/16/2021 at 4:15 PM, RonPaula said:

Not the least bit offended.  I wanted to make clear to Princess cruisers that  dining in the MDR on RCI is not a free for all. We have always followed the suggested dress guidelines from when our children were small through our most recent cruise in February 2020. How people dress helps contribute to the overall vibe in a venue. Just as white tablecloths, formal place settings and the wait staff in uniforms help define the atmosphere.  And no, we aren’t cruising with you in January 2023. We’re doing a Panama Canal in February 2023. Hopefully no new COVID-like illness to deal with.

Paula

We are doing a Panama Canal Feb 10 2023 out of SF!  Can't wait!  If you are on the same one we will see you on board!

[MishelleMcc]

On 5/16/2021 at 5:45 PM, Tak8 said:

I'm sure Princess will soon announce that vaccinated passengers may wear shorts in the dining room.  In keeping with future predictions,  here are the winning numbers for tomorrow's Jumbo Bucks lottery game...

Sorry but that is funny!  Ha!

[caribill]

1 hour ago, scottca075 said:

 

I work in the finance/investment arena, if anyone in a customer facing role showed up at the office not in a suit, they'd be sent home. Back office, IT, etc aren't expected to wear suits.

 

 

I am old enough to remember when IBM technicians showed up to repair keypunch machines they always wore a white shirt and tie, no matter how dirty the repair job would be.

[Barry ATL]

DH @Ken-ATL and I gave up dressing up years ago.  We will wear a polo and slacks to the MDR.  On formal night we upgrade to a button up collared shirt.  Since the cruises we have done in the last few years have all been Caribbean, we have not felt out of place.  While some dress up, it seems the hotter the climate the lower the participation in dressing up.

 

And, yes, we used to carry a tux to dress up (see our profile pic).  Nowadays, it just not seem as important.

[oskidunker]

29 minutes ago, Barry ATL said:

DH @Ken-ATL and I gave up dressing up years ago.  We will wear a polo and slacks to the MDR.  On formal night we upgrade to a button up collared shirt.  Since the cruises we have done in the last few years have all been Caribbean, we have not felt out of place.  While some dress up, it seems the hotter the climate the lower the participation in dressing up.

 

And, yes, we used to carry a tux to dress up (see our profile pic).  Nowadays, it just not seem as important.

And people who cruise to Alaska say the same. . :.)i have never let weather-outside the ship cause-me to wear more or less clothes. 

[PrincessLuver]

1 hour ago, oskidunker said:

And people who cruise to Alaska say the same. . :.)i have never let weather-outside the ship cause-me to wear more or less clothes. 

 

Several years ago we took a Princess cruise out of SFO to Alaska.  We had first time cruising friends go with us and we stressed that there was a strict dress code for the MDR in the evenings.  We sure got teased because most nights the dress code was not enforced and flannel and jeans seemed to be the "dress code" on that cruise...

[JF - retired RRT]

5 hours ago, scottca075 said:

No reasonable person in the working world would think that a dress code that contains the word "business" would include shorts, no matter how nice. (unless you are conducting business in Bermuda)

Or Hawaii 🤣

[wowzz]

4 hours ago, scottca075 said:

What I am referring to as a "sports coat" is also called a blazer or tailored jacket and I see them all the time in London,

Yes, a translation issue. A sports coat (or jacket) implies a checked jacket, that would normally be worn with moleskin trousers.

I'm sure you do see blazers in London, but wear a blazer anywhere else in the UK and you will srand out like a sore thumb, unless you are going in for a David Niven look alike competition !