csnarpy Posted April 30, 2020 #1926 Share Posted April 30, 2020 This is all i found https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/31355031/Wiegand_et_al_v_Royal_Caribbean_Cruises_Ltd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njkruzer Posted April 30, 2020 #1927 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, csnarpy said: This is all i found https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/31355031/Wiegand_et_al_v_Royal_Caribbean_Cruises_Ltd Thanks. I no longer have a pacer account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csnarpy Posted April 30, 2020 #1928 Share Posted April 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, njkruzer said: Thanks. I no longer have a pacer account. neither do i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherriZ366 Posted May 1, 2020 #1929 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Read a news article abou the Wiegand's lawyer now putting together a class action case with RCCL crew members who got COVIID19 as Plaintiffs. He may see this case as more promising than one brought by parents of a child whose step-grandfather dangled her outside a window on Deck 11, lost his grip and she fell to her death. There is video showing the step-grandfather's actions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusty nut Posted May 1, 2020 #1930 Share Posted May 1, 2020 21 hours ago, njkruzer said: Likely for civil matter. Your passenger contract requires mediation/arbitration prior to any trial. The. Criminal matter is totally separate and is in Puerto Rico. If he's pleading then no trial just appearance before court and putting plea on the record and agreement on sentence. I can't recall what the plea agreement is but I'm sure someone will find it! There will be no criminal trial, he already plead guilty to a lesser charge and will serve no time. The criminal aspect of this case is behind him now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted May 1, 2020 #1931 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, rusty nut said: There will be no criminal trial, he already plead guilty to a lesser charge and will serve no time. The criminal aspect of this case is behind him now. Possibly but if he has any humanity in him this event will haunt him for the rest of his life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherriZ366 Posted May 2, 2020 #1932 Share Posted May 2, 2020 12 hours ago, rusty nut said: There will be no criminal trial, he already plead guilty to a lesser charge and will serve no time. The criminal aspect of this case is behind him now. I probably wasn't clear in my post -- I was writing about the civil lawsuit that they parents brought against RCCL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted May 2, 2020 #1933 Share Posted May 2, 2020 13 hours ago, SherriZ366 said: I probably wasn't clear in my post -- I was writing about the civil lawsuit that they parents brought against RCCL. The attorney is doing you know what into the wind. Ambulance chaser. As an example. My son tapped a trucks trailer hitch when coming to a stop. (Lawn maintenance truck) No damage to his or the other vehicle. The guy called one of those TV attorneys. We will get you money. They did. The guy claimed back injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltnccruisers Posted May 2, 2020 #1934 Share Posted May 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said: The attorney is doing you know what into the wind. Ambulance chaser. As an example. My son tapped a trucks trailer hitch when coming to a stop. (Lawn maintenance truck) No damage to his or the other vehicle. The guy called one of those TV attorneys. We will get you money. They did. The guy claimed back injuries. Can't say I've heard much of anything positive about Winkleman. In this case he may not have been there before Chloe's body was cold but he certainly made it before the family had any time to process what had happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SherriZ366 Posted May 4, 2020 #1935 Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 5/2/2020 at 11:11 AM, cltnccruisers said: Can't say I've heard much of anything positive about Winkleman. In this case he may not have been there before Chloe's body was cold but he certainly made it before the family had any time to process what had happened. I totally agree he was in San Juan as soon as possible after this happened and got media coverage quickly. Had the parents on the media quickly too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixCruiser Posted May 4, 2020 #1936 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Chloe's mother is a lawyer, father is a police officer Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted May 4, 2020 #1937 Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 6:56 PM, SherriZ366 said: I probably wasn't clear in my post -- I was writing about the civil lawsuit that they parents brought against RCCL. Courts many places on hold, nothing going on for Months now... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.M.J.R. Posted October 15, 2020 #1938 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Judge accepts plea deal in criminal case. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/grandfather-pleads-guilty-toddler-s-death-cruise-ship-fall-n1243547?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Not sure what happens in the civil case. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted October 15, 2020 #1939 Share Posted October 15, 2020 He is guilty and should have plead so long ago...It's him that has carried this on. JMHO but for him to serve no jail time with this plea bargain is sad. As far as the civil case they have against RCI...I hope RCI fights to the end. No way should he or his family gain monetarily from his "Negligent Homicide". 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted October 15, 2020 #1940 Share Posted October 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, Ashland said: He is guilty and should have plead so long ago...It's him that has carried this on. JMHO but for him to serve no jail time with this plea bargain is sad. As far as the civil case they have against RCI...I hope RCI fights to the end. No way should he or his family gain monetarily from his "Negligent Homicide". Totally agree! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted October 15, 2020 #1941 Share Posted October 15, 2020 50 minutes ago, Ashland said: He is guilty and should have plead so long ago...It's him that has carried this on. JMHO but for him to serve no jail time with this plea bargain is sad. As far as the civil case they have against RCI...I hope RCI fights to the end. No way should he or his family gain monetarily from his "Negligent Homicide". the value of RC is much less now than it was when this began, I don’t think there is much possibility at all of them writing a check to make this go away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njkruzer Posted October 15, 2020 #1942 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said: the value of RC is much less now than it was when this began, I don’t think there is much possibility at all of them writing a check to make this go away. It's not they're writing a check, which the parents, and especially their attorney want, but I hope they don't get pushed into redoing the windows. It's really hard for a child to reach the window. They're high enough and have a railing in front. The parents need to demand something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted October 15, 2020 #1943 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, njkruzer said: It's not they're writing a check, which the parents, and especially their attorney want, but I hope they don't get pushed into redoing the windows. It's really hard for a child to reach the window. They're high enough and have a railing in front. The parents need to demand something. Why stop at windows? Think of all those dangerous balcony cabin railings on virtually all ships or ferries where the railing is lower than the window where he commited his crime. Edited October 15, 2020 by twangster 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmeed Posted October 15, 2020 #1944 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Negligent homicide = case dismissed. The parents deserve nothing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted October 15, 2020 #1945 Share Posted October 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, njkruzer said: It's not they're writing a check, which the parents, and especially their attorney want, but I hope they don't get pushed into redoing the windows. It's really hard for a child to reach the window. They're high enough and have a railing in front. The parents need to demand something. They don't "need" to demand anything but an apology from the grandpa !! I hope RCI wins this fight !! 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njkruzer Posted October 15, 2020 #1946 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, twangster said: Why stop at windows? Think of all those dangerous balcony cabin railings on virtually all ships or ferries where the railing is lower than the window where he commited his crime. Agree. Unless you live in a box you will always be exposed to something. We can't be protected from everything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njkruzer Posted October 15, 2020 #1947 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ashland said: They don't "need" to demand anything but an apology from the grandpa !! I hope RCI wins this fight !! Agree! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBE4 Posted October 15, 2020 #1948 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, twangster said: Why stop at windows? Think of all those dangerous balcony cabin railings on virtually all ships or ferries where the railing is lower than the window where he commited his crime. The only solution is to get rid of balconies. Scrap the Icon project and resurrect the Empress class!! 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deliver42 Posted October 15, 2020 #1949 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Lets screen all the balconies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMLAalum Posted October 15, 2020 #1950 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, deliver42 said: Lets screen all the balconies. Or go to the infinite verandas ala Celebrity's Edge class. FWIW I did not care for the infinite veranda for a variety of reasons. Open air balconies are my preference so I wouldn't like screens either. PS- Finally- with this post I made the 5k Club on Cruise Critic- time to celebrate🥂! Edited October 15, 2020 by TMLAalum 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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