Masks

[Lovincruisin1321]

On 6/10/2020 at 3:09 PM, island lady said:

 

Hey Dave!  I think my Gypsy and your eight ball would get along fine!  Don't you just love all these speculation threads?  I guess it's the flavor of the times...since none of us can complain about the usual right now..tipping, chair hogs, dress codes, smoking, elevator manners, unruly children.  Gosh I miss the good old days!  🤣

 

She is working hard for us right now.  😉 

 

 

 

Hey, the boards were getting a bit boring!  Lol

[island lady]

10 minutes ago, Lovincruisin1321 said:

Hey, the boards were getting a bit boring!  Lol

 

Yeah, we all need a cruise fix.  😉 

[cpl100]

On 6/10/2020 at 3:37 PM, davekathy said:

...your opinion (WAG). Waiting for the official printed policy from RC to be published in our future cruise documents that advises us that masks are mandatory. If RC recommends/requires we wear a mask fine we will respectfully do so. We'll bring them and be prepared to wear a mask but we won't wear a mask unless the staff actually enforces the policy like a lot of the current policies.   

And it is attitudes like yours that will keep me from booking. 

[cpl100]

On 6/10/2020 at 7:27 PM, Spurschick said:

At the end of the day if CDC require it as part of conditions to restart and sail then yes we will happily agree to wear.

 

I agree that in heat they can become laborious to wear, but Universal Studios has now set up up U-rest areas that you can walk through with no mask to have a break, maybe they could do something similar. 

 

Inside in AC no issues wearing. I’m sure you won’t have to wear them on your balcony or at table in restaurants. May be required in confined high traffic areas, casino, shops etc. 

 

The biggest challenge to the cruise line is the health of their staff as well as passengers. It would only take a small outbreak in crew to potentially bring everything back to a grinding halt.

 

One airline resumed flights recently and promptly cancelled them again as passengers refused to wear for the duration of the flight. I hope if it is mandatory on ships they don’t run into the same scenario.

Which airline? 

[Spurschick]

19 minutes ago, cpl100 said:

Which airline? 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2020/06/05/lion-air-shuts-down-flights-blames-passengers-for-ignoring-covid-19-guildelines/amp/

[cpl100]

On 6/13/2020 at 9:47 AM, zonacruiser25 said:

Masks are quickly becoming a means of control.  I frequently hear "I wear my mask out of respect for others that are doing it".  You can find "expert" reports or opinions for either side of the argument.  I have seen reports where drinking coffee will cause this or that and we all need to quit drinking coffee.  Drinking alcohol kills huge numbers of people world wide yet many of us salivate over a $18/day alcohol package.  I choose to not wear a mask and I may skip cruising if that is a requirement.  Just saying.

Everyone else will be safer if you don't go so I hope you skip.

[BigHouseFootball]

If you chose not to wear a mask you are putting your wants and needs ahead of your fellow human beings. Being selfish is the cornerstone of Western Culture which regards individualism as a prized characteristic. Where as Eastern Culture puts the emphasis on community over a individualism. 
 

I wear a mask. Everyone should. 

[davekathy]

3 hours ago, cpl100 said:

And it is attitudes like yours that will keep me from booking. 

Like I said, we'd wear a mask if the requirement is mandatory and enforced! You're welcome. More room on the ship for us. Bon Voyage...🤣🥂

Edited June 16, 2020 by davekathy

[Oxo]

7 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

All the more reason why you shouldn't be doing something so unnecessary as taking a cruise if things are still at a point wear a mask is needed for protection.

 

7 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

All the more reason why you shouldn't be doing something so unnecessary as taking a cruise if things are still at a point wear a mask is needed for protection.

I agree with you. FYI - cancelled an MSC and RCI cruise for this month, June, to the Med out of Venice. 

Two more RCI cruises in Nov out of Florida.

Thanks for your advise and concern. 

Happy Cruising!

[xpcdoojk]

The difference is personal responsibility.  If you choose to do something, you should be aware that there are dangers and risks to everything we all do.  When you choose to do something, anything, you accept the danger.  Instead of demanding people behave the way you want, the rational option is to be aware of how people actually behave and make your decision on that. 

 

When you refuse to accept that others do not have to do what you wish them to do you are making irrational decisions. Other individuals have freedom and liberty, we fought a civil and countless wars for those rights.

 

When you realize that others do not have to follow your wishes, and you make decisions with the full knowledge of this.  Then you can begin rational thinking.

 

I truly wish, you luck and happiness on your journey to rationality.

 

jc

[Viajera7]

It is mandatory to wear masks  In IL too and the numbers are going down.

[PhoenixCruiser]

It is mandatory to wear masks  In IL too and the numbers are going down.

Masks are not required in FL or AZ and the numbers are skyrocketing.

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[Milwaukee Eight]

5 hours ago, PhoenixCruiser said:

Masks are not required in FL or AZ and the numbers are skyrocketing.

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Masks are required in some places depending on the businesses. Most restaurants require their employees to wear masks. I believe it’s part of the States orders. 

[Keksie]

6 hours ago, PhoenixCruiser said:

Masks are not required in FL or AZ and the numbers are skyrocketing.

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Yes masks are not required.  No numbers are not skyrocketing.  This is not a cause and effect instance.  Numbers are going up due in a large part to increased testing in populations that have close contact.  Long term care facilities, farm workers and jails.  Our hospital capacity is still good.  Our governor is not closing things down again. Surprisingly there are a large percentage of people in long term care facilities who test positive without severe symptoms.

[Iamcruzin]

I went back to work this week in a retail environment.  I wanted to pick up another mask since I will be wearing daily for 9 plus hours.  The only thing I could find  said New York across the mouth.  Who was the marketing genius behind that idea?  I went home and ordered one on Amazon.  I suggest anyone who is willing to wear a mask all day on a cruise give it a test run by wearing it 8 to 10 hours everyday for a week.  I know for sure I may never cruise again if wearing a mask is the new normal.  I give a lot of credit to the essential workers who have been putting up with it since the beginning of the pandemic.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Iamcruzin

[crewsweeper]

1 minute ago, Keksie said:

Yes masks are not required.  No numbers are not skyrocketing.  This is not a cause and effect instance.  Numbers are going up due in a large part to increased testing in populations that have close contact.  Long term care facilities, farm workers and jails.  Our hospital capacity is still good.  Our governor is not closing things down again. Surprisingly there are a large percentage of people in long term care facilities who test positive without severe symptoms.

And masks are required in many places in Florida.  You don't need them outside if social distancing.  They are not good to wear when exercising.  Don't need to wear them in your car. Or at home, unless someone in the house is under quarantine.

[Milwaukee Eight]

9 minutes ago, Oxo said:

No, because some people have to be told more than once.  Then,  they don't even get it. 

If the shoe fits, wear it. 

You must really appreciate my posts as you always have some comment.  LOL

This is just another example. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/florida-bars-restaurants-close-coronavirus-spike-outbreak-a9568631.html

You and others are focused ONLY on the number of positives. So you would be happy if testing stopped for anyone and everybody who wanted a test?  Only test those with symptoms?  Would you say we have very low positives?  
 

Lots of places are now testing. Anyone can go get tested if they choose too. Some businesses are requiring their employees to be tested. 
 

Florida is now testing high density locations like long term care facilities, migrant camps, prisons, every two weeks. 

As far as cruising goes, and this is Cruise Critic, the positive rate (spread) in locations of high density is a concern for cruising again soon. 
 

M8

[Oxo]

3 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

In Texas there is walk up testing everywhere, every day., masks are not mandatory, we have 84,000 acute care beds in the state, 2300 are occupied by Covid patients. 

Death of an individual is indeed tragic, but nowhere near so the death of a national economy. 

Since I don't live in Texas, I only see and hear what is published. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

Likes they say, when you die you can't take it with you. Your choice. 

[not-enough-cruising]

Just now, Oxo said:

Since I don't live in Texas, I only see and hear what is published. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

Likes they say, when you die you can't take it with you. Your choice. 

A PERFECT example of why it is impossible to develop a salient viewpoint based on biased media reports. 
Positive cases are high due to massive walk up testing, a new round of jail and nursing home testing. 
Hospital occupancy is low, deaths are low, moving about with our daily lives 

[HBE4]

Is this a trusted resource?

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/16/texas-mayors-greg-abbott-face-masks/

 

"The mayors of nine of Texas' biggest cities urged Gov. Greg Abbott in a letter Tuesday to grant them the "authority to set rules and regulations" mandating face masks during the coronavirus pandemic.

 

As COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to climb in Texas, an executive order from Abbott bans local governments from imposing fines or criminal penalties on people who don't wear masks in public."

 

Or how about this one.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Texas-mayors-to-Gov-Abbott-Let-us-mandate-face-15344976.php

 

"Health officials attribute recent spikes in hospitalizations to the Memorial Day holiday weekend in late May when residents headed to beaches and barbecues."

 

"“This one step could prove to be the most effective way to prevent the transmission of this disease,” the mayors wrote. “Yet many people in many of our cities are still refusing to wear these face coverings even though these coverings are scientifically proven to help prevent the disease from spreading.”

 

Edited June 17, 2020 by HBE4

[zonacruiser25]

[HBE4]

1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Positive cases are high due to massive walk up testing, a new round of jail and nursing home testing. 
Hospital occupancy is low, deaths are low, moving about with our daily lives 

 

Congrats, keep up the good work. As long as you continue to figure out where the new cases are popping up and contain them there, don't let your guard down.

 

Even when things were at there worst in New York, 80-85% of covid cases did not require hospitalization.  Now, despite the reopening and increased testing, number of cases continue to go down.  Which apparently makes NY the exception to the "increased testing means increased number cases" rule that is continually touted here on CC.

 

1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Death of an individual is indeed tragic, but nowhere near so the death of a national economy. 

 

Probably an even more overblown story than covid is how the next Great Depression is right around the corner. I've been hearing it for 3 months yet my 401K continues to go up and the President touted May's jobs number and retail sales are up.

 

I guess you can do both - protect people's health and their livelihoods.

 

 

[Oxo]

26 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

Is this a trusted resource?

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/16/texas-mayors-greg-abbott-face-masks/

 

"The mayors of nine of Texas' biggest cities urged Gov. Greg Abbott in a letter Tuesday to grant them the "authority to set rules and regulations" mandating face masks during the coronavirus pandemic.

 

As COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations continue to climb in Texas, an executive order from Abbott bans local governments from imposing fines or criminal penalties on people who don't wear masks in public."

 

Or how about this one.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Texas-mayors-to-Gov-Abbott-Let-us-mandate-face-15344976.php

 

"Health officials attribute recent spikes in hospitalizations to the Memorial Day holiday weekend in late May when residents headed to beaches and barbecues."

 

"“This one step could prove to be the most effective way to prevent the transmission of this disease,” the mayors wrote. “Yet many people in many of our cities are still refusing to wear these face coverings even though these coverings are scientifically proven to help prevent the disease from spreading.”

 

Totally agree with you! I have posted numerous items from various sources. The biggest comeback is:

' biased media reports.'

Amazing how some people use that phrase as it is so very common and constantly used. LOL

Yet, these same people have no source or 'unbiased media reports' to refute the published facts. I guess if you believe the lies/falsehoods, they become true. We have been hearing that for quite some time now. Is there any source that they would believe?

Like someone said: We Did It.' They sure did and it is continuing to cause deaths daily. JMHO 

[Dat Cruisin Couple]

17 hours ago, BigHouseFootball said:

If you chose not to wear a mask you are putting your wants and needs ahead of your fellow human beings. Being selfish is the cornerstone of Western Culture which regards individualism as a prized characteristic. Where as Eastern Culture puts the emphasis on community over a individualism. 
 

I wear a mask. Everyone should. 

 

I agree. Saw an interesting article that getting people to wear masks for the community benefits is tough when people won't return shopping carts to the corrals in parking lots. <sigh> 🙂

[hazence]

Let’s remember on this particular board we are here to discuss cruising not an essential service  to sustain life. 
 

There are many vacation options....cruising is just one of them. Cruising is also an particular “experience“.... that is the reason for spending money to vacation on a ship. That experience is a about dining, shows, activities that include many other people. It includes ports where one mingles in crowds of locals. It includes crowded pools and show venues. All of these things do involve risk of some kind of viral infection...we have seen this well before COVID.

 

Some posters here are willing to assume that risk to have the same sort of wonderful experience that cruising has always provided for them. Others want an environment that is as risk free as possible...and that means imposing their needs or fears on others...and altering the cruise experience of others, so they can be included.

 

Again, cruising is one of many vacation options. Maybe the selfish ones are those who are demanding cruising be altered even if it spoils the vacation experience for others who don’t share their fears?

 

One can rent an oceanfront hotel room with a balcony facing the sea and have room service deliver all your meals...and thereby avoid crowds, unmasked people, and buffets. Some of the comments on here are so fearful and demanding of no risk cruising, it would be near impossible to enjoy “the experience”...it would be so changed, confining, and regimental. 
 

Why would any of us who are in open up areas spend money to “vacation” in those circumstances?

Edited June 17, 2020 by hazence