MSC resume cruising

[indiana123]

Yes, well done indeed.  No faffing about or worrying about hurt feelings,, just a "you're not getting back on board"

 

It might stop others doing the same

 

[wowzz]

40 minutes ago, indiana123 said:

Yes, well done indeed.  No faffing about or worrying about hurt feelings,, just a "you're not getting back on board"

 

It might stop others doing the same

 

Absolutely right, but yet another reason I would not want to do a cruise where you can only be allowed onshore like a pack of sheep.

[terrierjohn]

10 hours ago, wowzz said:

Absolutely right, but yet another reason I would not want to do a cruise where you can only be allowed onshore like a pack of sheep.

We were discussing this issue yesterday, as to whether we would still cruise with this restriction, and we both agreed that we probably would. The main reason is because my wife uses a wheelchair and we no longer fly, cruising is our only way of getting a guaranteed hot weather holiday.   We normally book an accessible balcony cabin which are quite spacious, so we do use the cabin and balcony more than perhaps AB passengers would.  It will be interesting to see if P&O do follow MSC's lead and offer some inclusive shore excursions, and whether this is also extended to accessible shore excursions. 

But whatever the final shape of cruising we do intend to cruise again once UK departures are allowed by the FCO advisories.

[Bazrat]

12 hours ago, wowzz said:

Absolutely right, but yet another reason I would not want to do a cruise where you can only be allowed onshore like a pack of sheep.

We would not have a problem being sheep if it means we can continue to cruise safely.

[Bazrat]

After reading some of the comments on here a small minority will not cruise no matter what, we work on a different basis if the system is put in place that will keep us safe as possible we will cruise.

Both me and my beloved had to work through the pandemic so wearing masks as become our norm, we have to use them to go shopping etc, so having to wear them on holiday is not a problem for us.

[Britboys]

Yes, we all have to make our own decision on this. On P&O, I am usually sailing solo and in an inside cabin. Additionally, a big part of my cruise enjoyment is meeting many different people to socialise with. Consequently, I am unlikely to cruise whilst such restrictions are in place.

[Dermotsgirl]

On 8/14/2020 at 1:48 PM, Denarius said:

Agree. I want a holiday not an ordeal.

This is how I feel.

 

it was a very good call from MSC not to allow those passengers back on board. A zero tolerance policy is exactly what is needed. 
 

I understand MSC’s desire to get cruising again, as they want to make money. I also agree that they have got to take every possible precaution. However, all the precautions do not make a relaxing cruise experience. If this is the way forward, the cruises that people booked pre-Covid will not be the cruise experience that they were originally sold. I therefore think that passengers should be given the option to cancel without penalty if they no longer wish to travel. 
 

It’s still not clear what will happen if there is an outbreak onboard, or if cases are linked to people who previously cruised. In spite of all the precautions, it will almost certainly happen at some point. That’s when all the protocols will be really tested. 
 

COVID 19 is a very dangerous illness, which can kill or make a person seriously ill, or  leave a person with long term health problems. Bearing that in mind, I’m in no rush to go back to cruising whilst the virus is in general circulation. I’m quite happy to enjoy myself in this country for the time being. 

 

 

[Bazrat]

13 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

This is how I feel.

 

it was a very good call from MSC not to allow those passengers back on board. A zero tolerance policy is exactly what is needed. 
 

I understand MSC’s desire to get cruising again, as they want to make money. I also agree that they have got to take every possible precaution. However, all the precautions do not make a relaxing cruise experience. If this is the way forward, the cruises that people booked pre-Covid will not be the cruise experience that they were originally sold. I therefore think that passengers should be given the option to cancel without penalty if they no longer wish to travel. 
 

It’s still not clear what will happen if there is an outbreak onboard, or if cases are linked to people who previously cruised. In spite of all the precautions, it will almost certainly happen at some point. That’s when all the protocols will be really tested. 
 

COVID 19 is a very dangerous illness, which can kill or make a person seriously ill, or  leave a person with long term health problems. Bearing that in mind, I’m in no rush to go back to cruising whilst the virus is in general circulation. I’m quite happy to enjoy myself in this country for the time being. 

 

 

At the end of the day you do what you believe is right for yourself and your family.

[wowzz]

1 hour ago, Dermotsgirl said:

COVID 19 is a very dangerous illness,

It is if you are very elderly or have underlying serious medical conditions. 

However, for the vast majority of the population it is not deadly. 

Which is not to decry that it is a serious illness, but the response needs to be concomitant to the threat posed.

[Dermotsgirl]

18 minutes ago, wowzz said:

It is if you are very elderly or have underlying serious medical conditions. 

However, for the vast majority of the population it is not deadly. 

Which is not to decry that it is a serious illness, but the response needs to be concomitant to the threat posed.

COVID 19 can make a person very ill, even previously healthy ones.

 

The virus is still surging throughout the world.

 

i don’t particularly want to get very ill, so my response is to stay in the U.K., enjoy my life within the restrictions imposed and not do activities that I believe are higher risk. Unfortunately, that includes cruising. It seems a commensurate response to me 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Dermotsgirl

[wowzz]

4 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

COVID 19 can make a person very ill, even previously healthy ones.

 

The virus is still surging throughout the world.

 

i don’t particularly want to get very ill, so my response is to stay in the U.K., enjoy my life within the restrictions imposed and not do activities that I believe are higher risk. Unfortunately, that includes cruising. It seems a commensurate response to me 

 

 

I agree in the main. I just wanted to point out that in the vast majority of cases, it is not deadly.

We are eating out twice a week, going shopping , going to pubs,  visiting hairdressers etc, without any worries, and will travel abroad as soon as the restrictions to Spain are lifted.

Life needs to go on. 

[Adawn47]

3 hours ago, wowzz said:

I agree in the main. I just wanted to point out that in the vast majority of cases, it is not deadly.

We are eating out twice a week, going shopping , going to pubs,  visiting hairdressers etc, without any worries, and will travel abroad as soon as the restrictions to Spain are lifted.

Life needs to go on. 

Where you live wowzz you have very few cases compared to other areas, so you  can live your life accordingly. At the moment many aren't so fortunate. Life does need to go on, I agree, but  not until it is a little safer in our area. I do go out when necessary, the next time is in two weeks for bank, flu vaccinations and our passports renewed. We've had a mobile hairdresser for quite awhile now so that's covered. We're content. By the way, did you burrow out or have you been released.🤣

Avril

[Dermotsgirl]

48 minutes ago, Adawn47 said:

Where you live wowzz you have very few cases compared to other areas, so you  can live your life accordingly. At the moment many aren't so fortunate. Life does need to go on, I agree, but  not until it is a little safer in our area. I do go out when necessary, the next time is in two weeks for bank, flu vaccinations and our passports renewed. We've had a mobile hairdresser for quite awhile now so that's covered. We're content. By the way, did you burrow out or have you been released.🤣

Avril

Our area is very low in new cases at the moment, so I feel able to go out and about. However, I’m keeping an eye on the situation, and if the cases start creeping up, then I’ll stop going out 

[Adawn47]

Just now, Dermotsgirl said:

Our area is very low in new cases at the moment, so I feel able to go out and about. However, I’m keeping an eye on the situation, and if the cases start creeping up, then I’ll stop going out 

You're very lucky, I wish it was the same here. Our cases keep going up and then on the watch list, it's very frustrating. My grand-daughter whose a nurse, tells me I'll be fine to go out, and I do go, but it's not a pleasant thing to do now. Constantly on edge and avoiding people who won't wear a mask. 😷

Avril

[wowzz]

5 hours ago, Adawn47 said:

Where you live wowzz you have very few cases compared to other areas, so you  can live your life accordingly. At the moment many aren't so fortunate. Life does need to go on, I agree, but  not until it is a little safer in our area. I do go out when necessary, the next time is in two weeks for bank, flu vaccinations and our passports renewed. We've had a mobile hairdresser for quite awhile now so that's covered. We're content. By the way, did you burrow out or have you been released.🤣

Avril

I'm out and on my boat!

Seriously, the number of people dying from CV19 is minute. More people will die from falling off ladders!

Obviously a personal choice, but I'm not going to spend the next few years living in fear,  when all the facts show that CV19 is causing virtually no premature deaths, whilst cancers, heart attacks, etc are far more dangerous.

Once again, sorry to be boring, if you are in good health, not obese, and not bame, CV19 will not kill you. 

Bojo did a good job in instilling the fear of God into  to everyone.  Unfortunately it is more difficult  to turn this paranoia around.

It is very unlikely you will catch CV19.  If you do catch it, it is very unlikely that you will be ill. If you are ill, it us unlikely that you will be seriously ill. If you are seriously ill, it is unlikely that you will need to go to hospital etc etc.

More people were killed in car crashes today than were killed by CV19. How many people who are worried about CV19 will quite happily travel in a car? 

Makes me laugh when someone drives 10 miles to the shops, and then worries about one person not wearing a mask!

 

 

[Snow Hill]

14 hours ago, Dermotsgirl said:

Our area is very low in new cases at the moment, so I feel able to go out and about. However, I’m keeping an eye on the situation, and if the cases start creeping up, then I’ll stop going out 

Two weeks ago new infections were down to to 4 in a week, but that changed last week when it shot up to 28 new infections. From the local authority daily updates it appears 15 of those cases were connected to a group of young people from an extended family and if the story I am hearing is true one of those individuals worked in a residential home and has subsequently infected residents there. 
 

The LA put a warning to pubs & restaurants about social distancing & recording of visitors, so I suspect this could relate to one or two pubs as it followed a warning to pubs last week about adherence with a threat to remove licences if not followed.

 

We may not like the rules of masks, prebooking in restaurants pubs etc, but we ignore them at our peril.

 

[Dermotsgirl]

9 hours ago, wowzz said:

I'm out and on my boat!

Seriously, the number of people dying from CV19 is minute. More people will die from falling off ladders!

Obviously a personal choice, but I'm not going to spend the next few years living in fear,  when all the facts show that CV19 is causing virtually no premature deaths, whilst cancers, heart attacks, etc are far more dangerous.

Once again, sorry to be boring, if you are in good health, not obese, and not bame, CV19 will not kill you. 

Bojo did a good job in instilling the fear of God into  to everyone.  Unfortunately it is more difficult  to turn this paranoia around.

It is very unlikely you will catch CV19.  If you do catch it, it is very unlikely that you will be ill. If you are ill, it us unlikely that you will be seriously ill. If you are seriously ill, it is unlikely that you will need to go to hospital etc etc.

More people were killed in car crashes today than were killed by CV19. How many people who are worried about CV19 will quite happily travel in a car? 

Makes me laugh when someone drives 10 miles to the shops, and then worries about one person not wearing a mask!

 

 

Have you already forgotten the 65000 excess deaths this year, most from the April, at the height of the pandemic?  That’s not ‘minute’.

 

oh, and most people are being cautious and adhering to the instructions, which has so far avoided another peak. That’s being sensible, not ‘living in fear’.

[Eddie99]

I’d be perfectly happy to accept risk to myself.  I don’t want mild or serious long-lasting illness, nor do I want to die just now.  But, if I could make a decision which would affect me, and me alone, I would just love to go back to “BC” (before covid) - wouldn’t we all?

 

It’s not just me though.  Every new infection adds to the total in the population and increases the risk for everyone - the old, the young, the frail, the fighting fit.  Let’s not forget health and care workers too, who really don’t need any further exposure to this thing, or to lose more than the 600+ who have already died.

 

It’s a total pain in the neck for most people, but let’s not throw away all the sacrifices of the last 5 months 

[terrierjohn]

6 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

Have you already forgotten the 65000 excess deaths this year, most from the April, at the height of the pandemic?  That’s not ‘minute’.

 

oh, and most people are being cautious and adhering to the instructions, which has so far avoided another peak. That’s being sensible, not ‘living in fear’.

Yes there were excess deaths and most were probably linked to Covid19.  However if you look at the data now, the trend is well below the annual average, which in my simplistic view is because many terminally ill elderly died a little earlier than they probably would have, and it's very likely that by year end that 65000 figure will be much lower.

[davemorton]

10 hours ago, wowzz said:

I'm out and on my boat!

Seriously, the number of people dying from CV19 is minute. More people will die from falling off ladders!

Obviously a personal choice, but I'm not going to spend the next few years living in fear,  when all the facts show that CV19 is causing virtually no premature deaths, whilst cancers, heart attacks, etc are far more dangerous.

Once again, sorry to be boring, if you are in good health, not obese, and not bame, CV19 will not kill you. 

Bojo did a good job in instilling the fear of God into  to everyone.  Unfortunately it is more difficult  to turn this paranoia around.

It is very unlikely you will catch CV19.  If you do catch it, it is very unlikely that you will be ill. If you are ill, it us unlikely that you will be seriously ill. If you are seriously ill, it is unlikely that you will need to go to hospital etc etc.

More people were killed in car crashes today than were killed by CV19. How many people who are worried about CV19 will quite happily travel in a car? 

Makes me laugh when someone drives 10 miles to the shops, and then worries about one person not wearing a mask!

 

 

Thats what this fella thought too...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-texas-man-dies-covid-party-hoax-a9614231.html

[wowzz]

19 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

Have you already forgotten the 65000 excess deaths this year, most from the April, at the height of the pandemic?  That’s not ‘minute’.

 

oh, and most people are being cautious and adhering to the instructions, which has so far avoided another peak. That’s being sensible, not ‘living in fear’.

But that was April, not now.

 

[Eddie99]

Infection rate is rising again, though not deaths, at the moment.

 

It feels inevitable that schools’ return will increase infections further, at least in the short term.  The kids have to get back to school, and their friends.

 

Those of us who can continue to severely limit our human interactions should continue to make that sacrifice for the younger ones and their futures

[indiana123]

While there are people like the one below we have to be wary and careful.

 

The lady I refer to does not travel, read newspapers or watch the news.  When lockdown eased we had to physically raise our voices as she lunged at us to hug and kiss us on our first venture out after four months, then again two days later in our High Street. 

 

Now we understand that as she doesn't want to wear a mask (no med conditions) she is laughing that she borrows a badge that a friend who has terrible COPD wears, then she goes shopping, to bars and restaurants (every day!) and doesnt wear a mask.  The badge says "I have COPD"

 

Disgusting.. in my opinion.

 

 

 

[grapau27]

20 minutes ago, Eddie99 said:

I’d be perfectly happy to accept risk to myself.  I don’t want mild or serious long-lasting illness, nor do I want to die just now.  But, if I could make a decision which would affect me, and me alone, I would just love to go back to “BC” (before covid) - wouldn’t we all?

 

It’s not just me though.  Every new infection adds to the total in the population and increases the risk for everyone - the old, the young, the frail, the fighting fit.  Let’s not forget health and care workers too, who really don’t need any further exposure to this thing, or to lose more than the 600+ who have already died.

 

It’s a total pain in the neck for most people, but let’s not throw away all the sacrifices of the last 5 months 

I agree.

It is the fact most people are being sensible and wearing masks,social distancing, washing hands regularly etc which has slowed this virus to a trickle of cases.

Like you say let's not throw all our efforts away too soon and hopefully it will bring us all back to a more normal life sooner.

Graham.

[kalos]

22 minutes ago, davemorton said:

Thats what this fella thought too...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-texas-man-dies-covid-party-hoax-a9614231.html

 

9 minutes ago, grapau27 said:

I agree.

It is the fact most people are being sensible and wearing masks,social distancing, washing hands regularly etc which has slowed this virus to a trickle of cases.

Like you say let's not throw all our efforts away too soon and hopefully it will bring us all back to a more normal life sooner.

Graham.

Thanks for that Dave , it makes sad reading ...

Dying man’s last words were: “I think I made a mistake. I thought this was a hoax, but it's not.”

 

Very sad that this happened ,he possibly thought "I have no underlying health conditions."

It is amazing how many per day find to their shock they have diabetes or they have heart problems

or even in the early stages of developing cancers etc .They had no idea .

Yes the poor guy would possibly have walked away unscathed if he was really healthy and would have

been the one who said "see it cannot hurt you ,I was right."  

The ones who have no symptoms are the ones who most likely spread the virus amongst other like minded

people .

I agree with Graham ..Let's not throw all our efforts away too soon and hopefully it will bring us all back

to a more normal life sooner. Afterall we are all in this together ,aren't we ? .. Stay safe everyone