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Boatdrill and others, there are sonars on the ship, they have sensors too that alert them when someone goes overboard and they know exactly where to go back to!! As far as someone saying they went to the captain's corner and the Captain told everyone there More information that they told the family at this point? That would be very very interesting for sure! I am in touch with the family all day everyday and they have not heard this info! 

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13 hours ago, BND said:

... The amount of time it takes to stop and turn around as well as most people aren't seen when they go over so no way to mark where they fell.  ...

Large ships cannot "stop and turn around" like a car. The captain usually performs a somewhat like figure-8 maneuver with cruising speed.

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6 hours ago, penni827 said:

Boatdrill and others, there are sonars on the ship, they have sensors too that alert them when someone goes overboard and they know exactly where to go back to!! As far as someone saying they went to the captain's corner and the Captain told everyone there More information that they told the family at this point? That would be very very interesting for sure! I am in touch with the family all day everyday and they have not heard this info! 

Not sure what sonar would do in a man overboard situation, the target is too small to discern from surface clutter.  Not all cruise ships have man overboard sensors, and not all the man overboard detection systems will sound an automatic alarm.  They can go back and review footage to get the time, but that is time consuming. Yes, they may be able to pinpoint the time and place of the person going overboard, but they won't know the amount or direction of drift the person encountered after that.

 

The USCG, with large crews on their cutters, all trained specifically in search and rescue at sea, who can therefore place many, many sets of eyes to searching, often lose the dummy sent overboard during a man overboard drill, even when the dummy is dressed in international orange clothing.  A person floating in the ocean is only a head above the water, so you are looking for something like the "Wilson" volleyball from the movie "Castaway", in square miles of ocean, where the waves will block vision intermittently.  As a professional mariner, I know that the odds of success become infinitesimal when someone goes overboard.

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6 hours ago, stag said:

Large ships cannot "stop and turn around" like a car. The captain usually performs a somewhat like figure-8 maneuver with cruising speed.

A "Williamson" turn (actually more teardrop shaped than figure eight), if done at anything over about 6-8 knots will cause a cruise ship to heel over from the turn to the point where loose items like glasses and dishware will go flying, and passengers will be thrown off their feet, and likely result in injuries.  So, first the ship needs to slow, and then turn.  This will take a few miles to accomplish, but does, if properly executed, get the ship back on the exact opposite course line, retracing it's "footsteps".

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9 hours ago, stag said:

Large ships cannot "stop and turn around" like a car. The captain usually performs a somewhat like figure-8 maneuver with cruising speed.

I don't think you read what you think you read.  I know it takes a ship a long time which is why I said "THE AMOUNT OF TIME".    My DH is a retired US Navy Captain and we've talked about this (every time it's reported).  

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21 hours ago, RD64 said:

This just reminded me of the George Smith mystery, of the honeymooner that supposedly went overboard the  Brilliance of the seas in 2005. 

The rumor based on an article in Vanity Fair was that he was highly intoxicated and was a cigar smoker who had been reported smoking in cabin. 
 
The article mentioned that to avoid suspicion of the smell he was smoking while sitting on his balcony rail and blowing smoke into the air.  He lost balance and fell overboard. 
 

Also, one of the rumors that was discounted, was that he had at the casino and dime Russians Mafia from Brooklyn did him in. 
 

Ps.  I believe, they found his wife intoxicated and unconscious in the hallway.   She sued Royal and got a settlement. 
 

 

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32 minutes ago, nelblu said:

The rumor based on an article in Vanity Fair was that he was highly intoxicated and was a cigar smoker who had been reported smoking in cabin. 
 
The article mentioned that to avoid suspicion of the smell he was smoking while sitting on his balcony rail and blowing smoke into the air.  He lost balance and fell overboard. 
 

Also, one of the rumors that was discounted, was that he had at the casino and dime Russians Mafia from Brooklyn did him in. 
 

Ps.  I believe, they found his wife intoxicated and unconscious in the hallway.   She sued Royal and got a settlement. 
 

 

Thanks - will have to look for the VF article. And updated just found it.

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1 hour ago, nelblu said:

The rumor based on an article in Vanity Fair was that he was highly intoxicated and was a cigar smoker who had been reported smoking in cabin. 
 
The article mentioned that to avoid suspicion of the smell he was smoking while sitting on his balcony rail and blowing smoke into the air.  He lost balance and fell overboard. 
 

Also, one of the rumors that was discounted, was that he had at the casino and dime Russians Mafia from Brooklyn did him in. 
 

Ps.  I believe, they found his wife intoxicated and unconscious in the hallway.   She sued Royal and got a settlement. 
 

 

Sorry, should have included won and some Russians.😄

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20 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

I am sorry but the laws of physics do not support this theory.  There is a reason the railings are the height that they are and that they are slightly sloped.

I think it is always a possibility in spite of careful design. I once saw a woman walk around the bow of a ship sailing into a rather stiff wind. As she rounded the bow the reverse wind hit her and knocked her to the deck and she started to roll. At that point, in the particular ship we were on, the lower portion of the railings were solid metal, but a little further on they were open at the bottom. She rolled awfully close to the open area. So very scary and quick, I have never forgotten.

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1 hour ago, Iwilder said:

At that point, in the particular ship we were on, the lower portion of the railings were solid metal, but a little further on they were open at the bottom.

Sorry, but I have never seen a railing that a child could go under, let alone an adult.  

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59 minutes ago, pyrateslife4me84 said:
16 hours ago, Boatdrill said:

The captain of the ship actually said this ?

I'm surprised he wasn't more discreet. 

Agreed although I read that guests on the Promenade also witnesssed this so I gather it is accurate. Still, I’m not sure why other guests need these details. 

This is All conjecture !

"I heard from someone that the captain said this "

"I read that guests on the promenade witnessed this "

Every incident like this breeds so much rumor and gossip . It is ridiculous how many people think their source is actually the correct one .... 

 

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21 minutes ago, c-leg5 said:

The first person was AT the Captain’s announcement. How is that conjecture?

 

You quote is someone questioning if that was true.

Understand your question ,...  but if you read closely she never stated that she was AT the Captains corner. She only stated that she was onboard , and that the Captain said this . (Maybe she heard him say this , or maybe someone told her he said this, not sure...because she doesn't say )  Not interested in argueing , just saying that this actually proves the point of how rumours and conjecture get twisted as everyone has a story , and the more times that story is told , the more the facts get skewed . 

 

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12 minutes ago, LobsterStalker said:

Understand your question ,...  but if you read closely she never stated that she was AT the Captains corner. She only stated that she was onboard , and that the Captain said this . (Maybe she heard him say this , or maybe someone told her he said this, not sure...because she doesn't say )  Not interested in argueing , just saying that this actually proves the point of how rumours and conjecture get twisted as everyone has a story , and the more times that story is told , the more the facts get skewed . 

 

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You are correct there most definitely is a “Chinese Whispers” element and I agree a lot of speculation and rumours will develop.
 

Most people on message boards post in an abbreviated form and she wrote “Exactly. I'm onboard and at the captains corner he said…….”

 

I took that to mean she was at the Captains corner in person. You are correct she may not have been there personally. 
 

No arguments, just a different interpretation. 

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51 minutes ago, LobsterStalker said:

Understand your question ,...  but if you read closely she never stated that she was AT the Captains corner. She only stated that she was onboard , and that the Captain said this . (Maybe she heard him say this , or maybe someone told her he said this, not sure...because she doesn't say )  Not interested in argueing , just saying that this actually proves the point of how rumours and conjecture get twisted as everyone has a story , and the more times that story is told , the more the facts get skewed . 

 

Cheers

I WAS AT the Capt's corner and that is what he said - Jeez!!

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