P&O Cruisers - What are things like where YOU are?

[Eddie99]

There is a middle way between that and “We’re all gonna die sometime anyway, so what the heck, just do it!”

 

Whilst I might accept that people have a choice with risk in their own lives (extreme sports etc) I don’t think it’s reasonable to accept 100% to be happy with the cavalier attitude of the less cautious.

[Dermotsgirl]

21 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Unfortunately, by that reckoning, worrying about what might happen, rather than looking at actual data, we might as well give up and sit in the cupboard under the stairs for the rest of our lives.

Sorry, I haven’t got time to reply as I’m going out for lunch.

 

which just goes to show you can have a life, whilst still treating the virus with the caution that is required. 

[davecttr]

2 hours ago, wowzz said:

But infection rates are not the be all and end all. The number of ICU beds now being used for CV19 cases is extremely low, as is the death rate.

People are obsessed with the infection rate, which should not be the only measurement to be considered.

I am obsessed with the infection rate because the bigger the infected pool is the bigger chance for a real 'killer' variant to appear. If that happened society would really fall apart.

[P&O SUE]

Just to lighten the mood a bit, I may be a bit mad but when we’re in the Lake District I’ve booked a train to Edinburgh! Just a day trip as I really want to visit the Royal Yacht Britannia! We’re going to drive an hour to Carlisle, stay overnight in a Premier Inn then the next day just over an hours train trip to Edinburgh! I booked the train tickets and hotel a couple of weeks ago and have now realised the night we’re in the hotel is the final of the Euros! So I’ve just booked the restaurant. Haven’t booked Britannia yet in case Nicola starts banning travel again.

[Josy1953]

We decided to venture out for breakfast this morning at Wetherspoon's in Stone which is something that we haven't done for almost 2 years.  It made a nice change but I doubt that we will be doing it again in the near future, I still felt uncomfortable even though each table was separated from all of the others by screens.  In theory it was as safe as it could be but I would have preferred to have gone on a warmer morning so that we could have sat outside because I am still not convinced that having no mask inside public spaces is safe.

[brian1]

We're in the Premier Inn Basingstoke at the moment visiting family.The Beafeater last night was really busy in the garden and inside,good to see on a midweek night,it was never that busy b4 Covid.Graham,I highly recommend the trio of fish on a bed of garlic spinach and toms.Cheers,Brian.

[zap99]

2 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

We decided to venture out for breakfast this morning at Wetherspoon's in Stone which is something that we haven't done for almost 2 years.  It made a nice change but I doubt that we will be doing it again in the near future, I still felt uncomfortable even though each table was separated from all of the others by screens.  In theory it was as safe as it could be but I would have preferred to have gone on a warmer morning so that we could have sat outside because I am still not convinced that having no mask inside public spaces is safe.

Best to do what you are comfortable with. We are sitting outside cafe Nero. No breeze inside.🤣

[zap99]

1 minute ago, brian1 said:

We're in the Premier Inn Basingstoke at the moment visiting family.The Beafeater last night was really busy in the garden and inside,good to see on a midweek night,it was never that busy b4 Covid.Graham,I highly recommend the trio of fish on a bed of garlic spinach and toms.Cheers,Brian.

Sounds good. I just had an email from them. £3 for gin. I would pay them £3 not to drink the stuff. Lots of folk out and about today. Nice to see businesses doing good trade. 

[Beckett]

1 hour ago, Peanut006 said:

I understand totally about your dog, our Cavalier King Charles spaniel has syringomyelia and I worry about her endlessly. She is on a cocktail of drugs including Gabapentin which isn’t ideal. 
My daughter also does ordinary tattoos as well but her actual first choice of career was a midwife. After she qualified it became clear the hours didn’t work with a young family so reluctantly she gave up. It is sad because loved it but for the amount of responsibility the have of mother & baby the pay is poor and twelve hour shifts plus travel time is hard.

As for reopening the country on 21 June I am happy to delay it to try get back on top of the Delta variant 

Michelle

 

Poor little chap. We'll do whatever we can for them though won't we - at whatever cost. We've just got back from the vet and he hasn't been discharged. One end of the wound has broken down a bit so same procedure till next Wednesday when he has his third visit. Teddy's delighted really because he knows it's another week of prime steak!

 

My sister-in-law is also a midwife and like your daughter found the hours incompatible with a young family. Now their kids are grown up she's gone back but is still doing 12 hour shifts for not great pay and very little recognition. It's definitely a vocation Michelle. 

 

I'm also very happy for a delay and a pushback on the 21st.  In an additional 2-3 weeks we can really vaccine like mad and do a lot of damage to the virus and good for the country.  Jane.x

[Eddie99]

It is indeed good news that many hospitality venues are operating and doing good business.  That has been our experience since the previous lockdown relaxation (?17 May?). Places have been buzzing and whenever we’ve asked how they’re doing the staff have been positive.  They confirm that they are viable under the current protocols.

 

It’s good all round - people who’ve been patient are rewarded by finally getting to socialise; businesses which have done what they are able to maximise their capacity are rewarded with custom

 

Add good weather and spirits are high

[Peanut006]

12 minutes ago, Beckett said:

Poor little chap. We'll do whatever we can for them though won't we - at whatever cost. We've just got back from the vet and he hasn't been discharged. One end of the wound has broken down a bit so same procedure till next Wednesday when he has his third visit. Teddy's delighted really because he knows it's another week of prime steak!

 

My sister-in-law is also a midwife and like your daughter found the hours incompatible with a young family. Now their kids are grown up she's gone back but is still doing 12 hour shifts for not great pay and very little recognition. It's definitely a vocation Michelle. 

 

I'm also very happy for a delay and a pushback on the 21st.  In an additional 2-3 weeks we can really vaccine like mad and do a lot of damage to the virus and good for the country.  Jane.x

Sorry to hear Teddy hasn’t been discharged but like you say he is enjoying the steak too much. He will be turning his nose up at the ordinary food!!

I think she might go back to midwifery when the children are older and more independent.

You are doing a brilliant jobs with all the vaccinations, thank you so much

Michelle

[bobstheboy]

Good morning.  All this debate on whether we should or not come out of controls on 21st June. I can understand the differing views, safety is the key. I keep swaying from one side to the other. On balance I think we should keep to the original schedule. The numbers of positive tests is going up, but we are doing a lot of testing. The key issues, in my opinion are hospitalisations and deaths. If the NHS is coping without delaying normal business and deaths are relatively low, we should open up. People will say one death is too many but unfortunately people die daily of flu,  pneumonia and other respiratory illnesses, it's part of life.

 

Mixed weather, cloudy with a hint of sun and cooler.

 

Stay safe.

[Harry Peterson]

1 hour ago, davecttr said:

I am obsessed with the infection rate because the bigger the infected pool is the bigger chance for a real 'killer' variant to appear. If that happened society would really fall apart.

A very good point.  And it’s also relevant that the Delta strain that’s now becoming the dominant strain across the country is already more resistant to vaccines than the Alpha strain, as well as being much more transmissible.

 

Even double vaccinated people are ending up in hospital, and so far around 14 have died from it - despite vaccination.

 

This is most certainly not the time to put all the previous efforts at risk by loosening up still further. Lives come before politics - or should.

[grapau27]

14 minutes ago, bobstheboy said:

Good morning.  All this debate on whether we should or not come out of controls on 21st June. I can understand the differing views, safety is the key. I keep swaying from one side to the other. On balance I think we should keep to the original schedule. The numbers of positive tests is going up, but we are doing a lot of testing. The key issues, in my opinion are hospitalisations and deaths. If the NHS is coping without delaying normal business and deaths are relatively low, we should open up. People will say one death is too many but unfortunately people die daily of flu,  pneumonia and other respiratory illnesses, it's part of life.

 

Mixed weather, cloudy with a hint of sun and cooler.

 

Stay safe.

Afternoon everyone.

We did some food shopping this morning and now we are eating our lunch in the back garden.

A lot of people who are working from home are not in a hurry to go back to the office.

I think another couple of weeks of intensive vaccination up to and after June 21st with a gentle extra lifting of restrictions would be sensible on June 21st with a view of a bigger open up 2 weeks later.

Enjoy the weekend everyone.

Graham.

[wowzz]

38 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

Even double vaccinated people are ending up in hospital, and so far around 14 have died from it - despite vaccination.

With it, not from it.

[wowzz]

39 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said:

Lives come before politics - or should.

Nothing to do with politics Harry (for once!)

Its the interpretation of data versus economic impact.

As is obvious, the data can be interpreted in different ways, but the economic impact is unambiguous. 

[Harry Peterson]

6 minutes ago, wowzz said:

With it, not from it.

That is very much debatable.

[yorkshirephil]

3 minutes ago, wowzz said:

With it, not from it.

Where is your evidence to support this. Deaths are counted as having had a positive test within the previous 28 days. You cannot just assume that everyone has died with it as opposed to from it unless that clear distinction is made, which I believe it should be.

[wowzz]

1 minute ago, yorkshirephil said:

Where is your evidence to support this. Deaths are counted as having had a positive test within the previous 28 days. You cannot just assume that everyone has died with it as opposed to from it unless that clear distinction is made, which I believe it should be.

Phil, I think that was the point I was trying to make to Harry. There may have been 14 deaths where the deceased had been tested positive with the Indian variant, but it is totally wrong to state that they died FROM Covid.

[Purdey16]

3 hours ago, zap99 said:

You won't convince some folk. Some old houses in London and I'm sure other places still have their Anderson shelters the intact. Off to get the Aircon topped up and then to Gordon Ramsey for lunch. Covid hospitalisations for vaxxed folk aren't an issue for most.

Have a nice lunch at Gordon Ramsey is it the restaurant n London near the Thames? We went there for our anniversary lunch some years ago and we were totally made a fuss off and taken round the kitchen and shown the wine collection with some bottles in many many thousands eye watering really, so I hope you have a wonderful time .

[zap99]

2 minutes ago, Purdey16 said:

Have a nice lunch at Gordon Ramsey is it the restaurant n London near the Thames? We went there for our anniversary lunch some years ago and we were totally made a fuss off and taken round the kitchen and shown the wine collection with some bottles in many many thousands eye watering really, so I hope you have a wonderful time .

Unfortunately not. Woking have the Gordon Ramsay academy with an attached Gordon Ramsey street burger. We can sample the culinary delights of Weymouth week after next. All opens up soon.

[Eddie99]

Rockfish!

We love it

They’ll tell you the fish they have available & how they cook it

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Salad & chips

Bottomless chip refills

Bottomless still or sparkling water

 

The best toilet entertainment ever! (Now you’ve just got to go, haven’t you?) 🤣😂🤣

[Dermotsgirl]

1 hour ago, wowzz said:

With it, not from it.

One way or the other they are still dead. 

 

And they probably wouldn't be dead if they hadn't contracted the virus 

[wowzz]

4 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said:

One way or the other they are still dead. 

 

And they probably wouldn't be dead if they hadn't contracted the virus 

Sorry, that is wrong. If you have a heart attack, or are a terminal cancer patient, your unfortunate death has nothing to do with CV19.

 

[Dermotsgirl]

4 hours ago, Eddie99 said:

There is a middle way between that and “We’re all gonna die sometime anyway, so what the heck, just do it!”

 

Whilst I might accept that people have a choice with risk in their own lives (extreme sports etc) I don’t think it’s reasonable to accept 100% to be happy with the cavalier attitude of the less cautious.

I completely agree - there is a middle way - it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. (although I know that people in Harry's position will still feel more comfortable living a secluded life for now).

 

The trouble with the gung ho brigade is that they haven't caught on yet that their actions have a knock on effect on every one else's lives.

 

If everyone is prepared  to moderate their lives slightly, then it should give most people the chance to have relative freedom.

 

Just back from a nice pub lunch 

 

 

It was only in a chain pub, so we used the app to order which worked well. Very nice atmosphere, lots of people chose to sit outside. We opted to sit inside - my husband got stung by a wasp the other week, so our risk assessment was to sit in the pub.  Lots of space though, and well ventilated. I noticed that, as normal during day time outings during the week, people are thoughtful and give each other space.  In the Covid age, it's a common courtesy.