will there ever be a NOT returning to base if there's a case

[luckyinpa]

my impression from previous news reports in the past is that when any case is discovered on board, you turn around and go home. then there's a bunch of issues around that of of course.

 

but until turning around for a case of the virus is eliminated, i wont go on any ship. there are enough non virus emergencies that take place in the world, i cannot imagine on day 2 when someone tests positive i lose the rest of my vacation and have to be in my room eating soup and ramen for 5 days. all this talk about everything on the forum is kinda moot as long as this procedure is in place. plus the cruise lines wont make any money with me locked in my room for the return trip back while they have to continue to pay all their fixed costs. no casino/excursions etc. 

[mom says]

Well alright then. 

 

 I might have been willing to have a reasoned discussion on the possible sailing regulations once cruising resumes. But the exaggerated complaints of a soup and RAMEN only diet killed that.  I'll leave it up to others to continue. In the meantime, perhaps you should read up a bit more.

Edited February 1, 2021 by mom says

[leaveitallbehind]

54 minutes ago, mom says said:

Well alright then. 

 

 ..... In the meantime, perhaps you should read up a bit more.

 

Why?  Wouldn't that just allow the facts to get in the way??  😉

[ilikeanswers]

Actually there is no guarantee you will return to the starting port of a cruise. There were a few cruises who were banned from returning to their starting port due to COVID infections and had to find another port just to off load their passengers. These are all the details that are yet to be worked out🙁.

[Nic6318]

Hi

 

Well, I too am really curious as to where the ramen came from. Is it the thought that they may have decided that would be the only food safe to eat and the cruise lines have a stockpile? Or am I missing something?

[broberts]

There are many contagious diseases that will force a ship to isolate passengers and head to the nearest port. If you don't want any chance of this happening on your cruise, you might consider a different form of vacation.

[SelectSys]

1 hour ago, ilikeanswers said:

there is no guarantee

 

That pretty much sums up cruising (and life for that matter) in 4 words!  There never was a contractual guarantee of anything on cruise ships regarding ports. COVID just takes it to a whole new level for the foreseeable future.

 

26 minutes ago, Nic6318 said:

where the ramen came from

 

I can tell you that packaged ramen was one of the first thigs to sell out at our local supermarket when the first lockdown began last March.  

 

16 minutes ago, broberts said:

you might consider a different form of vacation

 

That's what I am doing.

[mom says]

43 minutes ago, Nic6318 said:

Well, I too am really curious as to where the ramen came from.

Mind you, if that ramen is the lobster ramen from Sushi on 5, I might have to reconsider....

[kochleffel]

6 hours ago, ilikeanswers said:

Actually there is no guarantee you will return to the starting port of a cruise. There were a few cruises who were banned from returning to their starting port due to COVID infections and had to find another port just to off load their passengers.

 

Or even without a case. In 2021 friends of mine were aboard a cruise from San Juan when Puerto Rico barred all cruise ships, including those that had embarked from there only a few days before. They ended up disembarking at Port Canaveral.

[taglovestocruise]

19 hours ago, luckyinpa said:

my impression from previous news reports in the past is that when any case is discovered on board, you turn around and go home. then there's a bunch of issues around that of of course.

 

but until turning around for a case of the virus is eliminated, i wont go on any ship. there are enough non virus emergencies that take place in the world, i cannot imagine on day 2 when someone tests positive i lose the rest of my vacation and have to be in my room eating soup and ramen for 5 days. all this talk about everything on the forum is kinda moot as long as this procedure is in place. plus the cruise lines wont make any money with me locked in my room for the return trip back while they have to continue to pay all their fixed costs. no casino/excursions etc. 

We are just about ready to book the Allure of the Seas April 2022 transatlantic.  They have a little warning that a single case of covid, even on day 12, would require the ship to turn around and go back to Florida. Only positive from your impression is that I could enjoy Ramen on the balcony for 12 days and the added bonus of picking up 48 points,,, maybe I will reach Pinnacle some day. 

 

Coming to a RCL ship near you.....

Edited February 1, 2021 by taglovestocruise

[Hlitner]

The one certainty that should have been learned from the initial COVID outbreak is there is no certainty in cruises or travel.    As to ramen we have a lot worse on some cruises :).

 

Hank

[CruiserBruce]

3 hours ago, kochleffel said:

 

Or even without a case. In 2021 friends of mine were aboard a cruise from San Juan when Puerto Rico barred all cruise ships, including those that had embarked from there only a few days before. They ended up disembarking at Port Canaveral.

I think you must mean 2020.

[clo]

10 hours ago, ilikeanswers said:

These are all the details that are yet to be worked out🙁.

And it's the reason or one of the reasons that cruising is a long way from beginning. Those are really big hurdles to clear.

[ontheweb]

11 hours ago, clo said:

And it's the reason or one of the reasons that cruising is a long way from beginning. Those are really big hurdles to clear.

I think big is an understatement. Huge would be a better adjective. And the biggest hurdle of them all is not in control of the cruise lines. It is getting the worldwide pandemic under control.

[K32682]

On 1/31/2021 at 9:02 PM, luckyinpa said:

my impression from previous news reports in the past is that when any case is discovered on board, you turn around and go home. then there's a bunch of issues around that of of course.

 

but until turning around for a case of the virus is eliminated, i wont go on any ship. there are enough non virus emergencies that take place in the world, i cannot imagine on day 2 when someone tests positive i lose the rest of my vacation and have to be in my room eating soup and ramen for 5 days. all this talk about everything on the forum is kinda moot as long as this procedure is in place. plus the cruise lines wont make any money with me locked in my room for the return trip back while they have to continue to pay all their fixed costs. no casino/excursions etc. 

 

What would you propose as an alternative?  Keeping on with the party knowing that there is an identified positive COVID infection on board? Confining the sick passenger to their cabin and hoping the same person who brings food to them isn't your server later in the day?  Crew doesn't disclose the presence of a case to port authorities so you can have your shore excursion? 🙄

 

[luckyinpa]

14 minutes ago, K32682 said:

 

What would you propose as an alternative?  Keeping on with the party knowing that there is an identified positive COVID infection on board? Confining the sick passenger to their cabin and hoping the same person who brings food to them isn't your server later in the day?  Crew doesn't disclose the presence of a case to port authorities so you can have your shore excursion? 🙄

 

 

can easily assign 'one set' of staff for that one person vs making 6000 people cut their vacation short. plus to be fair you need to lock up those 6000 people in order to keep them from going all the places that infected person did, correct? you cannot let 6000 people wander where you knew the infected person was can you. or could you close down all the areas and clean them satisfactorily.  doubt it. its total lose lose. do you think when one cruise after another gets cut short that people will keep booking? especially at the overinflated prices? it would be true russian roulette.  and insane. there are enough non covid emergencies that cause detours. but rarely is a cruise  turned back to port and it canceled once that person is airlifted out. but under the apparent new guidelines just one person kills it for everyone and theres more likely a person to have the virus than all the other reasons to cancel a cruise i'm betting. someone with stats can do that math im sure. also when you confine the 6000 ppl because of one person the ship loses out on booze/casino/excusion sales. wouldnt that lose money for the cruise lines? cant imagine they would be happy with that either. 

 

also i still have yet to hear how they are gonna enforce elevator etiquette.  allowing tight packed elevators simply cannot happen under the new rules by any objective standard. would be hypocritical to allow it.  

 

 

 

 

[clo]

8 hours ago, luckyinpa said:

 

can easily assign 'one set' of staff for that one person vs making 6000 people cut their vacation short. plus to be fair you need to lock up those 6000 people in order to keep them from going all the places that infected person did, correct? you cannot let 6000 people wander where you knew the infected person was can you. or could you close down all the areas and clean them satisfactorily.  doubt it. its total lose lose. do you think when one cruise after another gets cut short that people will keep booking? especially at the overinflated prices? it would be true russian roulette.  and insane. there are enough non covid emergencies that cause detours. but rarely is a cruise  turned back to port and it canceled once that person is airlifted out. but under the apparent new guidelines just one person kills it for everyone and theres more likely a person to have the virus than all the other reasons to cancel a cruise i'm betting. someone with stats can do that math im sure. also when you confine the 6000 ppl because of one person the ship loses out on booze/casino/excusion sales. wouldnt that lose money for the cruise lines? cant imagine they would be happy with that either. 

 

also i still have yet to hear how they are gonna enforce elevator etiquette.  allowing tight packed elevators simply cannot happen under the new rules by any objective standard. would be hypocritical to allow it.  

 

 

 

 

I think it's going to come down to all the involved governments and their respective agencies who are going to say "no effing way." The cruise will be over.

[Hlitner]

14 hours ago, K32682 said:

 

What would you propose as an alternative?  Keeping on with the party knowing that there is an identified positive COVID infection on board? Confining the sick passenger to their cabin and hoping the same person who brings food to them isn't your server later in the day?  Crew doesn't disclose the presence of a case to port authorities so you can have your shore excursion? 🙄

 

Fair question.  Our answer is that, at the moment, the best alternative is not to book any cruise if you are concerned.   International travel will open up for direct flights (and independent travel) long before they open up for cruises.  In fact, at the moment it is still possible to vacation in Mexico (where we are spending the winter months) as long as one is not on a ship.

 

I will also be very honest in that any travel involves risk.  But when not on a ship one has a lot more control over mitigating that risk.  So while living here in Mexico we can avoid places where social distancing is questionable, carefully choose our restaurants, etc.  On a ship (and we do love to cruise) we are essentially captives and must eat where they say, deal with crowded elevators, deal with requirements in various ports. etc.   While I do love to cruise (and have 3 long cruises booked in the next 15 months) we are doubtful that any of those cruises will happen.  But you can be assured we will be traveling in those 15 months whether it be to open countries in Europe (if it happens) or simply taking a few extended vacations in the USA.

 

Hank

[BoozinCroozin]

Even though the information asked is not exactly factual, the meaning behind it is. Yes, there have been minor outbreaks on cruises in the past, but it is few and far between compared to what covid could do. The basis of the question is real though.

 

A lot of this has to be taken from speculation and information that has been put on paper by the CDC., Who is will to pay $1,000s for a cruise with the risk that on Day 2 or 3 it has to return back to the home port and every passenger locked in their cabon? Then, upon returning with the one thing the CDC keeps saying mandatory quarantine for 14-days at the port upon return? This is from reading between the lines when the CDC asked the public about mandatory quarantines at the port upon return. It has never been directly a requirement, but it most likely will be one of the requirements placed on cruise lines when the no sail order is lifted. All passengers would have to sign the contract and agree in order to embark.

 

I don't see people signing up with the potential to lose $1,000s on their vacation AND to accept the cost of paying for the 14-day mandatory quarantine which will be $1,000s more let alone impacts at home, school, and work for families. 

[SelectSys]

7 hours ago, BoozinCroozin said:

I don't see people signing up with the potential to lose $1,000s on their vacation AND to accept the cost of paying for the 14-day mandatory quarantine which will be $1,000s more let alone impacts at home, school, and work for families.

 

I can go either way on this.  Some people will simply "roll the dice" and take their chances.  Others might not.  It could be that many already have reservations and won't be able to cancel and get their money back based on these new terms.  Who knows?  I only know that I am not booking anything until more clarity exists.

[sydbarrett]

There are a good number of risks associated specifically with cruising and this is just one of them. There is always a chance something happens while at sea or a port doesn't accept you (or even accept you back). There could (and will) be another viral outbreak down the line unexpectedly. You have to decide if it is worth the risk for you. The risk will certainly be at its highest in the early days when cruising resumes. You may be better to wait it out a bit longer.

[sydbarrett]

7 hours ago, BoozinCroozin said:

 

I don't see people signing up with the potential to lose $1,000s on their vacation AND to accept the cost of paying for the 14-day mandatory quarantine which will be $1,000s more let alone impacts at home, school, and work for families. 

I won't even consider stepping outside the country until the mandatory quarantine is lifted. But if it is lifted, I travel, and something unexpected happens, I will deal with it. I survived it once so I know I can do it again 🙂 

[Aplmac]

3 hours ago, SelectSys said:

Who knows?  I only know that..

I am not booking anything until more clarity exists.

 

Yes, same thing here!
And I suspect there are many more like you and I.

 

Too many people

have thou$and$ tied up in cancellations,

rebookings, frustrations and disappointments. Multiples thereof!

[Top_of_the_Cube]

I may not be interpreting things correctly, but reading through the CDC guidelines and the suggestions of the Healthy Sail panel, it seems that one goal could be to identify, isolate, and offload (don't mean to sound cold or heartless) cases in a way that would not necessarily require termination of the cruise.

 

I see this in the calling for expanded medical personnel and facilities on each ship, quarantine plan of action, accurate contact tracing, protocols for deep cleaning while at sea, pre-arrangements and agreements with ports of call on accepting infected passengers and crew members with appropriate medical care and ultimately passage home, etc.

 

This is for cruises from the U.S., but part of my "analysis" is based on requirements in place for ships currently operating in Europe and Asia.

 

Just my opinion, but I think it can be done.  I would hope, though, that the captain is wise enough to halt a cruise at a point long before things get out of control.

[luckyinpa]

the idea of evacuating the covid is a good one. if a copter costs 25K and there are 6000 people on board id gladly give 4 bucks toward the fee so they can get safe and better hospital care and the rest of us not have our trips cut short. i know id feel like crap knowing if i got it than i killed everyones vacation.