How can you identify the vax'ed from the un-vax'ed?

[81Zoomie]

1 hour ago, Jeremiah1212 said:

 

I think it's only a matter of time before the ports take matters into their own hands. Just in in the past few days several changes have occurred. 

 

US Virgin Islands are not permitting ships with unvaccinated guests over 12.

Grenada will not accept ships with unvaccinated guests. 

St. Kitts is limiting ships it will accept to 700 guests. 

It's just a matter of time before the islands themselves impose restrictions where it just doesn't make sense to find workarounds. 

Where did you find the information about the requirements being instituted by the islands regarding cruise ships?  

[Jeremiah1212]

1 hour ago, 81Zoomie said:

Where did you find the information about the requirements being instituted by the islands regarding cruise ships?  

 

 

 

https://covid19.gov.gd

 

https://www.travelweekly.com/Caribbean-Travel/New-Grenada-travel-policy-Visitors-must-be-vaccinated

 

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/USVI-bans-cruise-ships-unvaccinated-passengers

 

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/USVI-bans-cruise-ships-unvaccinated-passengers

 

 

[FLCruiser97]

I recall seeing somewhere on the CCL website (can't remember where) that the unvaxxed had a hole punched in their sea pass.

[canderson]

3 hours ago, Jeremiah1212 said:

 

 

 

https://covid19.gov.gd

 

https://www.travelweekly.com/Caribbean-Travel/New-Grenada-travel-policy-Visitors-must-be-vaccinated

 

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/USVI-bans-cruise-ships-unvaccinated-passengers

 

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/USVI-bans-cruise-ships-unvaccinated-passengers

 

 

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This report was updated to clarify that St. Kitts does not have a capacity cap on cruise ships.

[cynalan]

On 8/2/2021 at 9:39 AM, joetop2467 said:

I am vaccinated but will not wear a wristband to indicate such. They bother me greatly and I won’t stay at a resort if I must wear one. 

Why not? What is so difficult about wearing a wrist band? Years ago they were de rigeur for many charities.

[Fly and Sail]

I don't think those unvaccinated have to be made visible for everyone on board except including passengers. That being said I'm not a fan of mixed cruises because it just takes one case to throw everything into limbo and make the trip miserable, including those vaccinated pax.

[whirlybird3]

On 8/2/2021 at 12:23 PM, sn2792 said:

We were on the 7/24 cruise and someone we met on the ship that was supposed to do a back to back was at our gate at the airport. He said he had been in the casino and it turns out he was at a table with someone who tested positive. So he and his wife were quarantined in their room last 2 days of the cruise and were tested 4 times for COVID. They were negative but were told they would have to wear a mask on the next cruise so they chose to get off the ship.  They evidently did the contact tracing from cameras. The dealer has to quarantine for 14 days.

 

There was also an incident at the craps table with an unvaccinated guest. He was told he was not allowed at the craps table because he was unvaccinated. He had a mask on, but I think there were designated areas for unvaccinated and the tables weren’t one of them. He got really mad and demanded to speak to the captain. He was told no. So he took all his chips ant threw them across the craps table and messed up all the bets on the table. Pit boss kicked him out. He showed up again later in the week and was watching his wife gamble. He was escorted out again.

 

Goodness!  I feel for the couple that were required to have to wear a black mask and understand why they disembarked.  It was unfortunate that they were exposed.  As for the unvaccinated guest ... I'm happy that Celebrity enforced the rules.

[sasset]

Back to the original post: How can you identify the vax'ed from the un-vax'ed?

 

The unvaxed talk much louder and are very demanding.

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[coffeebean]

On 8/2/2021 at 12:17 PM, nunuc2000 said:

On that second cruise... what's to stop unvaccinated people from removing their wristband to present as "vaccinated" like the rest of the passengers? 

Someone in management didn't have their thinking cap on. LOL.

[hawkesbaynz]

I know in the USA that politics and religion have a bearing on the persuasion of people to be vaccinated. Here in the UK (where thankfully we are less religious and political) my personal experience at work is that the unvaccinated are often ignorant and financially challenged and likely could not afford a cruise!
 

Thankfully the UK cruises are 100% adult vaccinated. The impression at the moment is that folk will need to be vaccinated full stop to travel in the future.
 

 

[DonnaMW]

July 4 on the Edge. Vaccinated  Band

not adjustable or removable. Only with scissors

“Someday is here” band

[graphicguy]

I know the last few emails I've received from Celebrity about my cruise this weekend, they state that every one over the age of 12 are required to be vaccinated.  So, that means we'll only see kids (which there aren't many of on a Celebrity cruise) who are potentially unvaccinated.  Further, all passengers over the age of 2 years old must show a negative COVID test before boarding.  That means, short of an infant who might be infected, the likelihood anyone else is infected is practically nil.

 

I will go in assuming that any child I see is unvaccinated (and required to wear a mask indoors) and will distance from them.  There should be very few, if any,  though.

[NevadaJo]

We just returned, Aug 6, from an Alaskan cruise on the Millenium. We were not given a traveler or any kind of tracking device. While we are fully vaccinated ( since end of March) I have no idea how vaccinated were separated from non vaccinated folks, if at all. We only did one excursion and they did place family groups together in separate vans   Our van was adults only.  

[George C]

1 hour ago, DonnaMW said:

July 4 on the Edge. Vaccinated  Band

not adjustable or removable. Only with scissors

“Someday is here” band

We were on same cruise wasn’t that easy to remove it , still have mine. 

[DaMom]

3 hours ago, DonnaMW said:

July 4 on the Edge. Vaccinated  Band

not adjustable or removable. Only with scissors

“Someday is here” band

How is Captain Kate? I feel like she wouldn't take any guff from the unvaccinated. Wish I could book a cruise on her ship...enjoy!!

[Merly]

The title of this thread makes me shudder. Too many historical connotations.  Let s get them to ring a bell and go around shouting “unclean unclean”.  
 

I am vaccinated and don’t know any one who is not. And yes I know all the issues around it so I don’t need anyone to tell me.  It’s just that the idea of people wearing something to identify them as different I struggle with. 

[graphicguy]

4 hours ago, Merly said:

The title of this thread makes me shudder. Too many historical connotations.  Let s get them to ring a bell and go around shouting “unclean unclean”.  
 

I am vaccinated and don’t know any one who is not. And yes I know all the issues around it so I don’t need anyone to tell me.  It’s just that the idea of people wearing something to identify them as different I struggle with. 

I don’t know.  I’m not allowed in a hospital (as a visitor) without being vaccinated, identifying them as unvaccinated.   I don’t smoke, but smokers have to linger outside to smoke, identifying them.  The list goes on and on.

 

Personally, if I know someone is unvaccinated, I can distance from them.  So, that’s helpful.

[TeeRick]

21 hours ago, graphicguy said:

I know the last few emails I've received from Celebrity about my cruise this weekend, they state that every one over the age of 12 are required to be vaccinated.  So, that means we'll only see kids (which there aren't many of on a Celebrity cruise) who are potentially unvaccinated.  Further, all passengers over the age of 2 years old must show a negative COVID test before boarding.  That means, short of an infant who might be infected, the likelihood anyone else is infected is practically nil.

 

I will go in assuming that any child I see is unvaccinated (and required to wear a mask indoors) and will distance from them.  There should be very few, if any,  though.

Yes for most Celebrity cruises departing these days- your response is the relevant answer.

Vaccinated = Almost all  (if not all adults) and children over 12 years.  Or pay hefty testing fees.

Unvaccinated = All children under 12.  

[davekathy]

5 hours ago, Merly said:

The title of this thread makes me shudder. Too many historical connotations.  Let s get them to ring a bell and go around shouting “unclean unclean”.  
 

I am vaccinated and don’t know any one who is not. And yes I know all the issues around it so I don’t need anyone to tell me.  It’s just that the idea of people wearing something to identify them as different I struggle with. 

There wouldn't be a need if the cruise lines mandated that everyone no matter their age, medical condition(s) or excuse(s) be vaccinated to board their ships. Until that happens I support something identifying unvaccinated. Hell we both are vaccinated and we would wear something identifying us as being vaccinated. No biggie. 

Edited August 9, 2021 by davekathy

[jgmorgan]

5 hours ago, Merly said:

The title of this thread makes me shudder. Too many historical connotations.  Let s get them to ring a bell and go around shouting “unclean unclean”.

You know, that comment reflects something that I have spent quite a bit of time thinking about it.  In New Testament times, the "best thinking" was that leprosy was highly contagious, therefore the influencers of those days advocated the forced segregation of lepers from the rest of society.  Several centuries later it was discovered that, while contagious from human to human, it took many months of close contact exposure to spread leprosy from one person to another.  Over time, the way lepers were treated changed to reflect current best thinking.  I suspect that there are many similar examples of how "best thinking" changes as the science became clearer.  Bubonic Plague and Yellow Fever come to mind.

 

I guess that is where we are today so far as Covid goes.  What is the alternative to crafting policies and procedures based on the "best thinking" at the time?  Some on these forums seem to advocate ignoring "best thinking" and would prefer that practices be based on convenience and minimal disruption to "normal" activities.  On the other hand, there are some who seem to go to the other extreme and advocate policies that ignore "best thinking" and try to eliminate risk altogether.

 

I suppose I am somewhere in the middle.  It makes sense to me that the decision-makers would take the current "best thinking" and develop procedures that are expected to lead to acceptable results.  As the science becomes clearer, appropriate changes should be made.  But, the process will be messy and what may be required one day will be different on a future day.

 

As I sit on my Aqua balcony with the other millionaires (apologies to TeeRick 😀) on my upcoming Alaska cruise, I will ponder this issue further.  But, I will spare you all of more of my "best thinking"...

[bluejayway327]

On 8/2/2021 at 12:53 PM, goofysmom99 said:

I'm sitting in Oceanview on Equinox wearing my fashion-forward tracelet.  No way to tell unvaccinated from vaccinated.  Lots of folks wearing masks.  I do in elevators.  And if you just can't stand to wear a tracelet, stick it in your pocket.

I'm late to this post but I have a question about these Tracelets. Does anyone know what the material is, or what the clasp is like? I'm really allergic to nickel so I'm always worried about wearables like this. I might need to plan on wearing something under it to shield my skin.

[Guppy99]

On 8/2/2021 at 11:45 AM, Jeremiah1212 said:

It's my understanding on Edge they have given the bracelet to vaccinated people on one cruise and unvaccinated people on a second cruise. And if there are no unvaccinated adults, no one gets one. It's still a work in progress. 

 

The initial hearing regarding required vaccine documentation to board a ship is this Friday so as with everything else, this may change rather quickly also. 

The bracelets are no to identify vaccinated persons. They are given to everyone in order to be able to trace contacts. All passengers 16+ must be fully vaccinated 2 weeks prior to sailing. As of August, all 12+  must be vaccinated.

[Jeremiah1212]

30 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

The bracelets are no to identify vaccinated persons. They are given to everyone in order to be able to trace contacts. All passengers 16+ must be fully vaccinated 2 weeks prior to sailing. As of August, all 12+  must be vaccinated.

 

Edge does not use the tracelets that are given out on Equinox. Edge passengers were given wristbands to identify vaccination status in early/mid July. 

[Fouremco]

27 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

The bracelets are no to identify vaccinated persons. They are given to everyone in order to be able to trace contacts. All passengers 16+ must be fully vaccinated 2 weeks prior to sailing. As of August, all 12+  must be vaccinated.

Celebrity has been using two types of bracelets, one aka "tracelets" that look similar to a watch and are issued to all passengers, vaccinated or otherwise, and the other a cloth band that can't be taken off. It has been issued to either vaccinated passengers, to identify them as such, or to unvaccinated passengers, but never both on the same cruise. @Jeremiah1212 was referring to the latter.

[cltnccruisers]

7 minutes ago, Jeremiah1212 said:

 

Edge does not use the tracelets that are given out on Equinox. Edge passengers were given wristbands to identify vaccination status in early/mid July. 

So Edge gets the wristband and Equinox gets the tracelet that looks like something out of Dr Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham?  Or do I have that bassackwards?