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Topless sun deck on Maasdam: Another dress code thread?

 

A topic I have never seen come up on CC before - Maasdam now has a public topless sun-bathing deck - aft deck 9 in full public view from the aft deck 10- Navigation - aft pool railing, as well as anyone transiting to the Lido from Deck 9 aft corridors.

 

"Topless Deck - Adults Only" - only one small red sign on the outer of two doors leading to the aft deck 9, but no warning notice sign coming down the stairs or looking over the aft-pool deck 10 railing.

 

Yes, I understand this is "normal" in European beach areas but is not a typical Northern American outdoor tradition. There could be other areas on ship that are not public thoroughfare areas that could accommodate this activity, without forcing others to be unwilling or unwitting witnesses. The two aft-wrap cabins on Deck Nine (220 and 205) look directly across this topless sun bathing deck preventing using these cabin decks for taking photos or just enjoying their more expansive 180 degree viewing options.

 

Sign of the times?

 

Is more public nudity now the norm on other HAL ships, or other ship cabana areas? If not, why just the Maasdam - why no warning to other passengers upfront this is now official passenger policy for in the formerly public transit and deck areas.

 

Should those who want to engage in topless sunbathing be confined to reserving verandah deck cabins only. If those in ocean view cabins are the ones demanding topless bathing, should this topless deck be confined to the lower ocean view cabin decks only.

 

Did I miss this change in ship policy? Was this disclosed in any promotional HAL literature? Have others had similar experiences on other HAL ships?

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If you don't take this as some major personal affront directed at you...perhaps all the signs, official notices and other warning wouldn't be required.

 

If you understand that this is common in Europe, (and other parts of the world as well), then why should North American values overpower others?

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Sounds like the OP had to make a lot of trips to check the view from every possible angle.

 

 

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If you don't take this as some major personal affront directed at you...perhaps all the signs, official notices and other warning wouldn't be required.

 

If you understand that this is common in Europe, (and other parts of the world as well), then why should North American values overpower others?

 

Holland America Line is a north American based cruise line serving primarily a north American passenger base and the only language on this cruise is still English - there is no bi-lingual component which is often the case when there is a certain percentage of Europeans or other non-English speaking language groups onboard.

 

Why have any clothing restrictions for passengers in any public areas using your logic? You make no sense. I am sorry you took the tone you did in your response.

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Sounds like the OP had to make a lot of trips to check the view from every possible angle.

 

 

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We are in one of the impacted cabins, and no we do not like this unwelcome intrusion on our regular HAL expectations about public nudity.

 

Nude sunbathers have other location options, if this is the new HAL policy. Why should they take priority over the expectations of other passengers who were not expecting to be confronted with this scene during normal ship board activities. Your response and attitude is not appreciated. But thank you for sharing it. It was expected and unfortunately may chill a full discussion on this abrupt change of HAL policy.

 

I am primarily surprised if clothing-optional is now the new HAL onboard policy it did not create as much discussion as only collared shirts required on Gala Nights - according to the responses so far why even expect collared shirts?

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One topless bathing location doesn't make Maasdam a clothing optional ship, or HAL a clothing optional cruise line. But rguy123 and I are the ones overreacting...got it.

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One topless bathing location doesn't make Maasdam a clothing optional ship, or HAL a clothing optional cruise line. But rguy123 and I are the ones overreacting...got it.

 

 

One small sign on one door to a clothing optional public location does not establish sufficient notice, ergo this now becomes a clothing optional onboard public activity for any and all sensibilities.

 

When did clothing optional in public spaces become HAL policy?

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I’m as prudish as they come, but hey, they are only boobs. I know the area to avoid if I so choose. Clothing optional in ONLY one area of the ship. Just one.

 

 

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Topless sun deck on Maasdam: Another dress code thread?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dress code iimplies clothing in one form or anotther.

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A topic I have never seen come up on CC before - Maasdam now has a public topless sun-bathing deck - aft deck 9 in full public view from the aft deck 10- Navigation - aft pool railing, as well as anyone transiting to the Lido from Deck 9 aft corridors.

 

"Topless Deck - Adults Only" - only one small red sign on the outer of two doors leading to the aft deck 9, but no warning notice sign coming down the stairs or looking over the aft-pool deck 10 railing.

 

Yes, I understand this is "normal" in European beach areas but is not a typical Northern American outdoor tradition. There could be other areas on ship that are not public thoroughfare areas that could accommodate this activity, without forcing others to be unwilling or unwitting witnesses. The two aft-wrap cabins on Deck Nine (220 and 205) look directly across this topless sun bathing deck preventing using these cabin decks for taking photos or just enjoying their more expansive 180 degree viewing options.

 

Sign of the times?

 

Is more public nudity now the norm on other HAL ships, or other ship cabana areas? If not, why just the Maasdam - why no warning to other passengers upfront this is now official passenger policy for in the formerly public transit and deck areas.

 

Should those who want to engage in topless sunbathing be confined to reserving verandah deck cabins only.

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If those in ocean view cabins are the ones demanding topless bathing, should this topless deck be confined to the lower ocean view cabin decks only.

 

Did I miss this change in ship policy? Was this disclosed in any promotional HAL literature? Have others had similar experiences on other HAL ships?

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I honestly am at a loss here. The OP is on a sailing going to Tahiti and the South Pacific for a close up of culture and the islands. that's why she chose the special EXEC cruise on the Maasdam from what she has posted in the past.

 

Well, guess what? This is what a lot do on the islands.

 

I haven't seen it before but a sign warning you is more than adequate. We've certainly been to enough beaches in Europe and elsewhere where people are topless.

 

It's not uncommon where the OP is going so this is a good way to get used to it ;)

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I am not sure that 'topless' is the same as 'clothing optional'. Mr Colbe says that he will check on this serious problem when we board in Papeete. He may need to do several checks just to be sure before he reports back.

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I’m as prudish as they come, but hey, they are only boobs. I know the area to avoid if I so choose. Clothing optional in ONLY one area of the ship. Just one.

 

 

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Could be worse; could be looking at man boobs all day long..................oh wait :eek:

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This will be another "thing" that I learn to work around. But I do admit to being surprised. I'd expect this on a European line, but not a North American one. I can't see where it's a good fit for the usual clientele, but it's not my cruise line, so whatever.

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He may need to do several checks just to be sure before he reports back.

 

With the reported average age of a HAL cruiser I don't know if that is a good idea!:eek:

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With the reported average age of a HAL cruiser I don't know if that is a good idea!:eek:

 

 

 

. Topless is different from clothing optional. I mean , no one is actually naked , just from the waist up, right? Personally, I don’t care. I’ve done some topless bathing in my day and am not offended by it in the least. I certainly topless sunbathe on my cruise ship balcony And honestly, it’s kind of a snoozer. See sign, turn head and keep walking. But with that said, if you cannot avoid seeing it from your balcony, then I’d complain as you find it offensive.

 

 

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What about women in bikinis and men in "Speedos" who are at the Lido pool? Not much difference between those bathing suits and going topless.

 

 

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Men go topless on every cruise line, on every ship, even with children around ...... and I've certainly seen plenty of men that could use some over the shoulder boulder holders! Call them breasts or pecs - they are only skin .... no big deal in my opinion. I have always felt Americans are very prudish in this regard and the "taboo" of women being topless is very sexist.

 

I know HAL has quite a large German clientele, especially on their more exotic cruises - perhaps this small change is meant to appeal to that client base, especially with Maasdam doing more trips in tropical locales

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I'll admit the OP's post is surprising to me. But, if it were me, my thinking is: what I am going to see that I have not already seen?

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. Topless is different from clothing optional. I mean , no one is actually naked , just from the waist up, right? Personally, I don’t care. I’ve done some topless bathing in my day and am not offended by it in the least. I certainly topless sunbathe on my cruise ship balcony And honestly, it’s kind of a snoozer. See sign, turn head and keep walking. But with that said, if you cannot avoid seeing it from your balcony, then I’d complain as you find it offensive.

 

 

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At the least, I would think HAL should mention it to anybody who books a cabin that can look down on the topless sunbathing deck...who knows, HAL just might find that it is another revenue generating opportunity as maybe those cabins can be sold at a premium?

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We are in one of the impacted cabins, and no we do not like this unwelcome intrusion on our regular HAL expectations about public nudity.

 

Nude sunbathers have other location options, if this is the new HAL policy. Why should they take priority over the expectations of other passengers who were not expecting to be confronted with this scene during normal ship board activities. Your response and attitude is not appreciated. But thank you for sharing it. It was expected and unfortunately may chill a full discussion on this abrupt change of HAL policy.

 

I am primarily surprised if clothing-optional is now the new HAL onboard policy it did not create as much discussion as only collared shirts required on Gala Nights - according to the responses so far why even expect collared shirts?

 

It never stops to amaze me how prude some US Passengers are. Almost like some Muslim Middle Eastern countries.

For your information OP, there is nowadays on nearly every sailing a large contingent of European passengers, the vessel is DUTCH by the way, you are on European territory when sailing HAL. There is ONE small area devoted to less prudish guests. I am sure that the favourite American hangout, The Casino, is MUCH larger and potentially far more damaging.

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I guess it doesn't fit so well with OP's endorsement of HAL as being the "midwestern" line of the Carnival fleet?

 

Personally, I enjoy thinking of HAL evolving into a more sophisticated and global line, given her wide range of itineraries around the globe.

 

I have no issue at all with this change.

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I'm totally amazed. I was going to ask you if it came up in another thread, and then realized (from your other thread) that you are currently on board.

 

Do you, or anyone else, know if this is just for Maasdam, (and perhaps for certain itineraries), or is it going fleet wide?

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The two aft-wrap cabins on Deck Nine (220 and 205) look directly across this topless sun bathing deck

Those two cabins have just tripled in price.

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Topless sunbathing isn't nude sunbathing nor is it clothing optional.

 

I personally wouldn't do it because of the sunburn risk, but then again I don't sunbathe in any case.

 

It is no big deal if someone else wishes to do it and I am glad that HAL has made it possible for those who wish to do so.

 

Travel is suppose to be a change to learn, see or do something new. If one doesn't want anything to be different than home, then stay home.

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some people are travellers and some are tourists.

 

And HAL is NOT a North American cruise line. They sail to a lot of different places (isn't that one of the reasons a lot of us like their ships?) If you are going to visit other cultures and have others on board (who are usually very charming) you need to expect to see other cultures.

 

so my take.....you can be a traveller and go with the flow or you can be a tourist and complain.

 

I prefer to be a traveller.

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JMO -- I am surprised in the direction that HAL is going Starting to be like the other cruise lines.

But if HAL wants to go in that direction -- fine. But maybe HAL should have considered another deck and another location.

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I’m as prudish as they come, but hey, they are only boobs. I know the area to avoid if I so choose. Clothing optional in ONLY one area of the ship. Just one.

 

 

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But why not pick a non-public access area for this activity? This is a very public area. It is a major inconvenience to avoid it due to our own cabin location, as well as a surprise for those looking over the aft pool deck for a view of the wake.

 

I think HAL was unreasonable to make this option in such a public location that is not well noticed or screened.

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some people are travellers and some are tourists.

 

And HAL is NOT a North American cruise line. They sail to a lot of different places (isn't that one of the reasons a lot of us like the?) If you are going to visit other cultures and have others on board (who are usually very charming)

 

so my take.....you can be a traveller and go with the flow or you can be a tourist and complain.

 

I prefer to be a traveller.

 

Nonsense response. Why shouldn't these HAL passengers (aka travelers) go with our flow and prior expectations there is no public nudity? HAL might go to many places but the ship headquarters and the passenger base are primarily Northern American. (Read your CCL Annual Report).

 

Considering the length of discussions about smoking, Gala Night and wine policies, slipping public nudity into the mix with no notice is unacceptable. They warn you if you will have an obstructed view or a a view of the lifeboats. Why not warn you before making a cabin choice you will be viewing topless sun bathers - and who knows what else as this clothing-optional barrier has now been broken.

 

Save your preaching for someone else, kazu. Why choose the verandah deck for this activity. Use you verandah if this is your choice. Or use the ocean view decks if only the ocean view "travelers" demand this option to take over a previously public location. There are other public locations that can serve all people - that can be screened from inadvertent public view and are non-public transit routes between decks.

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They should stay on their balcony?

But why not pick a non-public access area for this activity? This is a very public area. It is a major inconvenience to avoid it due to our own cabin location, as well as a surprise for those looking over the aft pool deck for a view of the wake.

 

I think HAL was unreasonable to make this option in such a public location that is not well noticed or screened.

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[quote=OlsSalt;57055796}

When did clothing optional in public spaces become HAL policy?

 

And there you go. I don't give a poo abt who wants to show their ta-tas to the free world but I would like some warning. And if I had a cabin that overlooked said ta-tas, the aforementioned warning would be quite important.

 

And not to be sexist, I apply this rule to the "Gentleman's Dept" as well.

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Nonsense response. Why shouldn't these HAL passengers (aka travelers) go with our flow and prior expectations there is no public nudity? HAL might go to many places but the ship headquarters and the passenger base are primarily Northern American. (Read your CCL Annual Report).

 

Considering the length of discussions about smoking, Gala Night and wine policies, slipping public nudity into the mix with no notice is unacceptable. They warn you if you will have an obstructed view or a a view of the lifeboats. Why not warn you before making a cabin choice you will be viewing topless sun bathers - and who knows what else as this clothing-optional barrier has now been broken.

 

Save your preaching for someone else, kazu. Why choose the verandah deck for this activity. Use you verandah if this is your choice. Or use the ocean view decks if only the ocean view "travelers" demand this option to take over a previously public location. There are other public locations that can serve all people - that can be screened from inadvertent public view and are non-public transit routes between decks.

 

I think you are the one preaching Old Salt.

 

And MY opinion is mine and I am free to give it and you have no right to call it nonsense.

 

if anything, I would say you are showing your true colours here.

 

enough said. Have a great cruise.

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Personally I think it's great that 1) HAL is allowing it, and 2) so many people here are unconcerned or supportive. I'm really wondering whether this will be implemented fleet-wide, or whether Maasdam is a trial balloon.

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Nonsense response. Why shouldn't these HAL passengers (aka travelers) go with our flow and prior expectations there is no public nudity? HAL might go to many places but the ship headquarters and the passenger base are primarily Northern American. (Read your CCL Annual Report).

 

Considering the length of discussions about smoking, Gala Night and wine policies, slipping public nudity into the mix with no notice is unacceptable. They warn you if you will have an obstructed view or a a view of the lifeboats. Why not warn you before making a cabin choice you will be viewing topless sun bathers - and who knows what else as this clothing-optional barrier has now been broken.

 

Save your preaching for someone else, kazu. Why choose the verandah deck for this activity. Use you verandah if this is your choice. Or use the ocean view decks if only the ocean view "travelers" demand this option to take over a previously public location. There are other public locations that can serve all people - that can be screened from inadvertent public view and are non-public transit routes between decks.

I only see one person preaching on this thread and it isn’t Kazu.

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some people are travellers and some are tourists.

 

And HAL is NOT a North American cruise line. They sail to a lot of different places (isn't that one of the reasons a lot of us like their ships?) If you are going to visit other cultures and have others on board (who are usually very charming) you need to expect to see other cultures.

 

so my take.....you can be a traveller and go with the flow or you can be a tourist and complain.

 

I prefer to be a traveller.

 

Excellent post!!

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A topic I have never seen come up on CC before - Maasdam now has a public topless sun-bathing deck - aft deck 9 in full public view from the aft deck 10- Navigation - aft pool railing, as well as anyone transiting to the Lido from Deck 9 aft corridors.

 

Presumably the sign you mention is on the door to the "topless" deck. Hardly an inconvenience to transit to the Lido via the interior stairs after reading the sign.

 

......there could be other areas on ship that are not public thoroughfare areas that could accommodate this activity, without forcing others to be unwilling or unwitting witnesses. The two aft-wrap cabins on Deck Nine (220 and 205) look directly across this topless sun bathing deck preventing using these cabin decks for taking photos or just enjoying their more expansive 180 degree viewing options.

 

Is there no panel/barrier between your balcony, and the remainder of the deck the sunbathers would be using? So when you are on your balcony you are forced to see topless sunbathing? And anyone on that deck would have unfettered access to your veranda door?

Should those who want to engage in topless sunbathing be confined to reserving verandah deck cabins only. If those in ocean view cabins are the ones demanding topless bathing, should this topless deck be confined to the lower ocean view cabin decks only. ......

 

Wow, that is a huge leap, that it is only people in OV cabins who are "demanding" topless sunbathing. I suppose you mean that the topless demanders should be using the "Crew Only" decks lower in the ship? Seems like a bit of classism is influencing that thinking....

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I only see one person preaching on this thread and it isn’t Kazu.

1+ (and also -- obviously -- 1+ to Kazu)

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