RCL Stock

[notmyrealnameoremail]

On 10/30/2020 at 1:45 PM, Hoopster95 said:

 

Cruise stocks have been artificially supported since this pandemic started.

The stock market as a whole has nothing to do with a "free market" system based on worth and value.

It's based on "perception" and who can b.s. the most to embellish the perceived worth.

I'm curious, what definition of worth and value is the free market system based on other than perceived worth and value?

[Hoopster95]

31 minutes ago, notmyrealnameoremail said:

I'm curious, what definition of worth and value is the free market system based on other than perceived worth and value?

 

Free market system on paper is fabulous! However it relies on honesty and truth of data. I see data, or market fund managers see data, and make decisions based on that data. How do you, or I, or anyone truly know that the data is 100% truthful?

 

In my humble and zero fact ignorant opinion, honesty of truth and data cannot be relied upon in North America. It's all about embellishing the truth and outright lying. This question can also asked to Bernard Madoff, as well as of the board of directors of both Enron and Bre-X. Or the Savings&Loans banking system leading up to 2007, or or or.... many examples. I may be severe in my feelings, but it's how I feel. Deep deep deep down .... Power = curruption = money.

[sfaaa]

5 hours ago, Hoopster95 said:

 

Free market system on paper is fabulous! However it relies on honesty and truth of data. I see data, or market fund managers see data, and make decisions based on that data. How do you, or I, or anyone truly know that the data is 100% truthful?

 

In my humble and zero fact ignorant opinion, honesty of truth and data cannot be relied upon in North America. It's all about embellishing the truth and outright lying. This question can also asked to Bernard Madoff, as well as of the board of directors of both Enron and Bre-X. Or the Savings&Loans banking system leading up to 2007, or or or.... many examples. I may be severe in my feelings, but it's how I feel. Deep deep deep down .... Power = curruption = money.

Those people you mentioned were caught, fined, shamed and went to jail. And you say truth doesn't exist in our system? How did they get convicted if truth doesn't exist?

[ReneeFLL]

On 10/30/2020 at 12:20 PM, Dennis#1 said:

RCL stock goes up one day and then down another day.  Currently at $52.12 per share.  Does anyone think it will get down into the $20’s again?
 

I don't know, but if it did I'm not sure I'd want to buy any at that time.

[TeeRick]

On 10/30/2020 at 7:01 AM, livingonthebeach said:

According to this analyst, cruise line stocks aren't going to make a comeback soon.  He points out that the recent Princess pause in Australia / New Zealand indicates a further pause in US operations, increasing losses for the cruise lines.  Seven more months of not sailing could mean survival would be in jeopardy for some, he concludes. 

 

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/10/28/1-more-knock-on-the-cruise-line-industry/

And here is yet another one....

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4383495-royal-caribbean-this-is-disaster

[livingonthebeach]

2 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

And here is yet another one....

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4383495-royal-caribbean-this-is-disaster

 

Oh, no -- not good.  I unwisely bought more RCL and CCL after the lifting of the NSO on Friday.  I thought I did well, until today when all the big three stocks are down substantially, despite the market being up.  If I have to wait until 2024 to recoup my investment as the article states, I don't mind as long as they don't go **POOF**. 

[Ocean Boy]

Amazing how well the stock did until the lifting of the no sail order. It makes no sense.

[livingonthebeach]

10 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

Amazing how well the stock did until the lifting of the no sail order. It makes no sense.

 

Yes from the low of $19 to about $70 something now at $54.  I guess the path to obtain the CSC appears cumbersome and costly. 

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

36 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

Oh, no -- not good.  I unwisely bought more RCL and CCL after the lifting of the NSO on Friday.  I thought I did well, until today when all the big three stocks are down substantially, despite the market being up.  If I have to wait until 2024 to recoup my investment as the article states, I don't mind as long as they don't go **POOF**. 

Royals stock has done really well. My stock has increased no matter what the market itself does. Actually it doubled in one week when the market did terrible. Do not panic. If you invested to make money with it, there is a good chance you will. Use the perks for OBC while you have it.

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

16 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

Amazing how well the stock did until the lifting of the no sail order. It makes no sense.

We all need to chill out and I say it will do very good if not great once this virus is controlled and all the negative information about cruising has left. 

[yogimax]

23 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

We all need to chill out and I say it will do very good if not great once this virus is controlled and all the negative information about cruising has left. 

Maybe yes, maybe no.

 

Investors and speculators are already factoring in the the development of a vaccine.  As for negative information about cruising... it will be with us for years.

 

[Ocean Boy]

56 minutes ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

We all need to chill out and I say it will do very good if not great once this virus is controlled and all the negative information about cruising has left. 

I am quite chilled out. I was simply pointing out that the stock did well when the cruise line was simply shut down with no end in site.

 

This is a play stock for me. If I do well with it then great. If not, I only put in what I was willing to lose.

[CTCruiser76]

5 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

This is a play stock for me. If I do well with it then great. If not, I only put in what I was willing to lose.

Right there with ya - Ocean Boy!!

[Biker19]

The 10Q was finally filed with the SEC.

 

https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/884887/000088488720000049/rcl-20200930.htm

[greatestvalue]

Do you think RCL is still going to offer the OBC in the future for those who own 100 shares? 

[Biker19]

8 hours ago, greatestvalue said:

Do you think RCL is still going to offer the OBC in the future for those who own 100 shares? 

Yes, though they may make it harder to claim.

[Suzieanna]

I think it would depend entirely on how much it “costs” them to give us it, balanced against the risk of us thinking along the lines of “no OBC, no dividend, no point in holding”..and Cashing in our shares     I think times are going to be hard for a while for all businesses, but will they also risk the loss of for example a potential $5000 sale for a sake of giving a bit of OBC?    They may think we would take that trip regardless of OBC ?   Who knows...

 

i wonder how how many shares are held by people like us? 

[The_Big_M]

22 hours ago, greatestvalue said:

Do you think RCL is still going to offer the OBC in the future for those who own 100 shares? 

 

They stopped it once before in 'tough times,' wouldn't be surprised if they do it again. Basically they're a business and if they feel they can't afford it, or it costs more than it's worth they'll drop it.

[ALWAYS CRUZIN]

1 hour ago, The_Big_M said:

 

They stopped it once before in 'tough times,' wouldn't be surprised if they do it again. Basically they're a business and if they feel they can't afford it, or it costs more than it's worth they'll drop it.

Do or don't. Their stock is worth it. I have made money on their stock twice now. Right now I am up 110% A month ago 200% Should have sold are then sat to rebuy.

[grandgeezer]

3 hours ago, Suzieanna said:

I think it would depend entirely on how much it “costs” them to give us it, balanced against the risk of us thinking along the lines of “no OBC, no dividend, no point in holding”..and Cashing in our shares     I think times are going to be hard for a while for all businesses, but will they also risk the loss of for example a potential $5000 sale for a sake of giving a bit of OBC?    They may think we would take that trip regardless of OBC ?   Who knows...

 

i wonder how how many shares are held by people like us? 

 

If you Google it, it says 78-80% of all stocks traded in the U.S., is owned by institutional investors. These are the people who do it for profit so it’s a good indication of what they think of the prospects for the company in the future.

As far as the obc, what it actually cost them, is determined on what it’s used for. Gratuities cost them the full amount. Alcohol is a different story. $100 obc will by me about 12 domestic beers ($7 plus 20% tip). The same numbers beers will cost me about $8 (including tax) when I stock up when it’s on sale. I’m sure, at the quantities they buy, it cost them a whole lot less.

[Suzieanna]

4 hours ago, grandgeezer said:

 

If you Google it, it says 78-80% of all stocks traded in the U.S., is owned by institutional investors. These are the people who do it for profit so it’s a good indication of what they think of the prospects for the company in the future.

As far as the obc, what it actually cost them, is determined on what it’s used for. Gratuities cost them the full amount. Alcohol is a different story. $100 obc will by me about 12 domestic beers ($7 plus 20% tip). The same numbers beers will cost me about $8 (including tax) when I stock up when it’s on sale. I’m sure, at the quantities they buy, it cost them a whole lot less.

That’s very interesting. Thank you.   I would probably lose mine in the casino anyway!!!     (if that’s allowed).  I just hope they survive this storm.     I have shares in all sorts of things, all up and down like yo-yos! 

[Baron Barracuda]

5 hours ago, grandgeezer said:

 

If you Google it, it says 78-80% of all stocks traded in the U.S., is owned by institutional investors. These are the people who do it for profit so it’s a good indication of what they think of the prospects for the company in the future.

As far as the obc, what it actually cost them, is determined on what it’s used for. Gratuities cost them the full amount. Alcohol is a different story. $100 obc will by me about 12 domestic beers ($7 plus 20% tip). The same numbers beers will cost me about $8 (including tax) when I stock up when it’s on sale. I’m sure, at the quantities they buy, it cost them a whole lot less.

In recent years institutions have shifted the majority of their equity exposure from active to passive management, so less stock picking and more index funds.  Over $11 trillion is now indexed to the S&P 500.  Every time a pension fund (or an individual) puts $1 into an S&P 500 fund the fund purchases $.07 in Apple stock (the highest weighting) and $.0004 in RCL (the 399th largest).  Pure robotic investment, no research involved.

[The_Big_M]

7 hours ago, ALWAYS CRUZIN said:

Do or don't. Their stock is worth it. I have made money on their stock twice now. Right now I am up 110% A month ago 200% Should have sold are then sat to rebuy.

 

Whether it's a good decision or not isn't does't determine if they will drop their Shareholder benefit, which was the question asked.

[grandgeezer]

2 hours ago, Baron Barracuda said:

In recent years institutions have shifted the majority of their equity exposure from active to passive management, so less stock picking and more index funds.  Over $11 trillion is now indexed to the S&P 500.  Every time a pension fund (or an individual) puts $1 into an S&P 500 fund the fund purchases $.07 in Apple stock (the highest weighting) and $.0004 in RCL (the 399th largest).  Pure robotic investment, no research involved.

 

Since you mentioned Apple, if you would have bought $5,000 worth of their stock, in December 1980, and reinvested all dividends (started in 2012) your holdings would now be worth $4,300,000. That includes all the stock splits.

If you would have bought $5,000 in RCL stock in 2010, and reinvested all dividends, your investment would be worth $12,700 today.

If you don’t believe it, Google each stock and ask for total value from IPO to today.

 

 

[livingonthebeach]

Futures markets up substantially on news that Pfizer Covid Vaccine is more than 90% effective:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/covid-vaccine-pfizer-drug-is-more-than-90percent-effective-in-preventing-infection.html