Nothing until March?

[cured]

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

 

 

I feel bad for the children not getting adequate schooling.

Children are resilient.  Both my parents spent their childhoods in a Nazi occupied country with very interrupted schooling. They didn't go for a year or two. Yet they both grew up, went to University, and were very successful as a shrink and a physicist. All my aunts and uncles and their peers are also quite successful. Kids will be fine with a year or two of online schooling.

 

Our youth will survive.  In our history, wearing a mask is nothing compared to what our great grandparents and grand parents survived. I cannot fathom why there is so much whining in so many places over a silly piece of cloth that science has proven is effective and reduces spread. And prayers for the Chicago store security guard that was stabbed 27 times when he asked 2 sisters to put their masks on.

 

Imagine you were born in 1900.

When you are 14

World War I begins and ends when you are 18

with 22 million deaths.

Soon after, a global pandemic,a flu called "Spanish",kills 50 million people.

You come out alive and unscathed,you are 20 years old.

Then at 29 you survive the global economic crisis that began with the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange, causing inflation, unemployment and famine.

At 33, the Nazis came to power.

You are 39 when World War II begins

and ends when you are 45 years old. During

the Holocaust (Shoáh) 6 million Jews die.

There will be over 60 million deaths in total.

When you are 52, the Korean War begins.

When you are 64, the Vietnam War begins and ends when you are 75.

A child born in 1985 thinks his grandparents have no idea how difficult life is,

and they have survived various wars and catastrophes.

A boy born in 1995 and now aged 25 thinks it's the end of the world when his Amazon package takes more than three days to arrive or when he doesn't get more than 15 ′ ′ likes ′ ′ for his photo posted on Facebook or Instagram ...

In 2020, many of us live in comfort, have access to multiple sources of entertainment at home, and often have more than we need.

But people complain because of everything.

Yet they have electricity, telephone, food, hot water and a roof over their heads.

None of this existed in the past.

But humanity has survived much more dire circumstances and never lost the joy of living.

Maybe it's time to be less selfish, stop whining and crying.

[Mary229]

Just now, time4u2go said:

It's too early to have much meaningful data about it, here are some relevant links:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-coronavirus-does-to-the-lungs

Without meaningful data one cannot make policy. That has been a real issue with this whole crisis.   The social contact currently in place was that the populace would follow certain measures to prevent the medical system from being under duress.  Now if you want to change that contract the politicians need to put forward an honest proposition to the population.  People cannot have a moving target as a goal.  This current situation is taking a significant toll on mental health, education and personal finance.  

[Mary229]

1 minute ago, cured said:

Children are resilient.  Both my parents spent their childhoods in a Nazi occupied country with very interrupted schooling. They didn't go for a year or two. Yet they both grew up, went to University, and were very successful as a shrink and a physicist. All my aunts and uncles and their peers are also quite successful. Kids will be fine with a year or two of online schooling.

 

Our youth will survive.  In our history, wearing a mask is nothing compared to what our great grandparents and grand parents survived. I cannot fathom why there is so much whining in so many places over a silly piece of cloth that science has proven is effective and reduces spread. And prayers for the Chicago store security guard that was stabbed 27 times when he asked 2 sisters to put their masks on.

 

Imagine you were born in 1900.

When you are 14

World War I begins and ends when you are 18

with 22 million deaths.

Soon after, a global pandemic,a flu called "Spanish",kills 50 million people.

You come out alive and unscathed,you are 20 years old.

Then at 29 you survive the global economic crisis that began with the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange, causing inflation, unemployment and famine.

At 33, the Nazis came to power.

You are 39 when World War II begins

and ends when you are 45 years old. During

the Holocaust (Shoáh) 6 million Jews die.

There will be over 60 million deaths in total.

When you are 52, the Korean War begins.

When you are 64, the Vietnam War begins and ends when you are 75.

A child born in 1985 thinks his grandparents have no idea how difficult life is,

and they have survived various wars and catastrophes.

A boy born in 1995 and now aged 25 thinks it's the end of the world when his Amazon package takes more than three days to arrive or when he doesn't get more than 15 ′ ′ likes ′ ′ for his photo posted on Facebook or Instagram ...

In 2020, many of us live in comfort, have access to multiple sources of entertainment at home, and often have more than we need.

But people complain because of everything.

Yet they have electricity, telephone, food, hot water and a roof over their heads.

None of this existed in the past.

But humanity has survived much more dire circumstances and never lost the joy of living.

Maybe it's time to be less selfish, stop whining and crying.

The American Academy of Pediatrics disagrees

 

AAP urges a return to school

[not-enough-cruising]

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

I think last I heard about 20% capacity? To me better than not open.

 

You evidently arent in dallas county as bars here are still closed. I'm not counting ones that managed to sell food and get around it at reduced capacity. Judge jenkins said bars closed, however ft worth bars open, so it varies here. 

 

I feel bad for the children not getting adequate schooling.

No, I am in Collin county, everything is open. 

[time4u2go]

2 minutes ago, Mary229 said:

Without meaningful data one cannot make policy. That has been a real issue with this whole crisis.   The social contact currently in place was that the populace would follow certain measures to prevent the medical system from being under duress.  Now if you want to change that contract the politicians need to put forward an honest proposition to the population.  People cannot have a moving target as a goal.  This current situation is taking a significant toll on mental health, education and personal finance.  

I understand and agree with what you say.  But it's very difficult, if not impossible, to come up with a static proposition when so much is still unknown, and is being learned every day.

[voyager70]

1 hour ago, mugtech said:

Has not helped.

 

Have there been many cases traced to NFL games?  Curious, because I've not heard of any.

 

[voyager70]

35 minutes ago, sandebeach said:

The Governor has noted that hospitalization rates, particular ICU rates, are not rising. Florida is actually doing ok. 

 

I've heard two doctors , reporting on CNN and FOX, (just pointing to this out to quell the hate) that the current strain of the virus doesn't seem to be as lethal as in the spring 

[Mary229]

Just now, voyager70 said:

 

I've heard two doctors , reporting on CNN and FOX, (just pointing to this out to quell the hate) that the current strain of the virus doesn't seem to be as lethal as in the spring 

From a lay point of view that very seems to be the case.  Most states have flat looking hospitalization graphs since August.   El Paso is having an uptick but I speculate  that is because the Mexican border is locally “open”   El Paso has always had a fluid border since so many Americans work in Mexico and vice versa

[sandebeach]

2 minutes ago, voyager70 said:

 

I've heard two doctors , reporting on CNN and FOX, (just pointing to this out to quell the hate) that the current strain of the virus doesn't seem to be as lethal as in the spring 

Also, in relation to increases in Florida cases versus the high increases in the Midwest, a lot of activities in Florida can still be done outdoors, such as dining. The weather has been really nice this past week. 

[voyager70]

4 minutes ago, Mary229 said:

From a lay point of view that very seems to be the case.  Most states have flat looking hospitalization graphs since August.   El Paso is having an uptick but I speculate  that is because the Mexican border is locally “open”   El Paso has always had a fluid border since so many Americans work in Mexico and vice versa

 

Makes sense.

 

[voyager70]

3 minutes ago, sandebeach said:

Also, in relation to increases in Florida cases versus the high increases in the Midwest, a lot of activities in Florida can still be done outdoors, such as dining. The weather has been really nice this past week. 

 

Yes, we just spent a great week in Florida.  Beautiful weather, had nearly every meal outdoors.  But still everyone was wearing masks indoors, and outside until you were at your table.

 

[BND]

15 minutes ago, voyager70 said:

 

I've heard two doctors , reporting on CNN and FOX, (just pointing to this out to quell the hate) that the current strain of the virus doesn't seem to be as lethal as in the spring 

That was what was expected as it mutates, it becomes less lethal but more contagious.   It's what viruses do.  They really don't want to kill their host or they die out.   The common cold is very contagious as is the flu.  People don't die from the flu itself and rarely from colds, but from secondary infections and even that is not super common. The Covid infection rate is up, but deaths are way down.  We'll see if this gets reported more widely.  My MIL lives in a senior facility.  It's everything from independent living apartments to full up nursing care/memory care.  They haven't had a new case in several weeks and no deaths in a couple of months, which considering their age group is great.  

[Ourusualbeach]

23 minutes ago, voyager70 said:

 

I've heard two doctors , reporting on CNN and FOX, (just pointing to this out to quell the hate) that the current strain of the virus doesn't seem to be as lethal as in the spring 

There were similar reports months ago out of Italy where they compared the strength of the virus from March to late summer and there was a significant difference.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus-idUSKBN2370OQ

[firefly333]

Watching random bloggers. One brought up reminding people the election next tuesday, key west will vote yes or no to continue to let cruise ships dock there. I'd heard of that on the ballot months ago, but forgot all about it...... for anyone stopping there and coco cay. I know jewel out of Galveston has it in January.

 

He also said he talked to someone in st. Martin contacted by carnival, though it might not be a cruise like cruisers booked.

 

I'd forgotten all about the key west vote. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 hour ago, time4u2go said:

With the increasing cases in Florida I would not expect cruising from Florida to resume anytime soon.

Hospitalizations remain stable. ICU bed availability remains at normal pre COVID19 levels. SMH

 

Now, my personal opinion is that cruise ships should not sail until such time as they agree not to dump off infected cruisers In US Ports. 
 

M8

[Iamcruzin]

1 hour ago, DaniDanielle said:

Bar is closed, along with restrooms😷

 Not surprised it's part of NYC

[UnorigionalName]

57 minutes ago, voyager70 said:

 

I've heard two doctors , reporting on CNN and FOX, (just pointing to this out to quell the hate) that the current strain of the virus doesn't seem to be as lethal as in the spring 

 

it might be because more people are wearing masks, thereby decreasing the inoculum 

[Iamcruzin]

2 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Everything is now a suggestion. Most restaurants are now at full open. No capacity limits. Bars are open. Most places have no limits on capacity. Movie theaters are open (we avoid). No penalties or fines for not wearing a mask. Most places still have lines on the floor for spacing. 
 

We have been eating out (dine in) since the restaurants opened at 50% capacity. Most places have kept up the plexiglass and most business employees wear a mask, probably required by their employers. 
 

We maintain proper social distancing and are aware of our surroundings. 
 

M8

Well stay safe. You can only control your own environment

[mugtech]

1 hour ago, voyager70 said:

 

Have there been many cases traced to NFL games?  Curious, because I've not heard of any.

 

Has not helped the Cowboys win football games.

[newcruzer2]

3 hours ago, cured said:

 

Imagine you were born in 1900.

When you are 14

World War I begins and ends when you are 18

with 22 million deaths.

Soon after, a global pandemic,a flu called "Spanish",kills 50 million people.

You come out alive and unscathed,you are 20 years old.

Then at 29 you survive the global economic crisis that began with the collapse of the New York Stock Exchange, causing inflation, unemployment and famine.

At 33, the Nazis came to power.

You are 39 when World War II begins

and ends when you are 45 years old. During

the Holocaust (Shoáh) 6 million Jews die.

There will be over 60 million deaths in total.

When you are 52, the Korean War begins.

When you are 64, the Vietnam War begins and ends when you are 75.

A child born in 1985 thinks his grandparents have no idea how difficult life is,

and they have survived various wars and catastrophes.

A boy born in 1995 and now aged 25 thinks it's the end of the world when his Amazon package takes more than three days to arrive or when he doesn't get more than 15 ′ ′ likes ′ ′ for his photo posted on Facebook or Instagram ...

In 2020, many of us live in comfort, have access to multiple sources of entertainment at home, and often have more than we need.

But people complain because of everything.

Yet they have electricity, telephone, food, hot water and a roof over their heads.

None of this existed in the past.

But humanity has survived much more dire circumstances and never lost the joy of living.

Maybe it's time to be less selfish, stop whining and crying.

Excellent point and Well said 

[lazydayz]

4 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Everything is now a suggestion. Most restaurants are now at full open. No capacity limits. Bars are open. Most places have no limits on capacity. Movie theaters are open (we avoid). No penalties or fines for not wearing a mask. Most places still have lines on the floor for spacing. 
 

We have been eating out (dine in) since the restaurants opened at 50% capacity. Most places have kept up the plexiglass and most business employees wear a mask, probably required by their employers. 
 

We maintain proper social distancing and are aware of our surroundings. 
 

M8

What part of Florida are you in?  Tampa Bay is open but masks are required everywhere.  While you can’t be fined, you can be denied service.  I can’t get go in my office building without a mask on.  The Hard Rock Casino requires masks.  Most restaurants require them when you are not seated.  And I am happy to see most everyone is complying.  

[Junkhouse]

I have eaten at Arlington TX restaurants twice in the last month, have been to two casinos, my college child had two roommates who had COVID-19,, shop in at least 5 stores weekly, volunteered at the airport, attended a wedding and funeral (not Covid-19 death), going to church for the last two months, volunteered at a kitchen, play golf weekly, go out to eat at least weekly, stayed in 3 hotels and I’m still standing. I take precautions, exercise, and take my vitamins with D3 and zinc. Life and cruising must go on!

[bigrednole]

Personally, I thought his would have started by now. The issue is that Covid is not like other viruses according to some doctors. It also does not fully leave the body for up to 3 months (according to HHS). There is no need to take a test for at least 90 days after infection because all tests will come back positive. This will have to be something cruise lines are prepared for as well or declare that if you had positive covid in the last 90 days, you cannot cruise. 

 

I don't think US cruising will start until mid-Feb as initially targeted by the CDC earlier this month. But whatever date they declare next needs to be the final date. The CDC is playing with people's money: stockholders, investors, debt holders, etc. They need to make an agreed upon protocol that has to be strictly followed and let cruising begin. 

[Biker19]

57 minutes ago, bigrednole said:

But whatever date they declare next needs to be the final date.

For most, any final date is meaningless as they only care about their next sailing. There won't be a fleetwide restart, so whatever date RCI picks it will only affect some ships. RCI picked Dec for Quantum to restart but anything can happen between now and then to derail that date/particular sailing.

[time4u2go]

1 hour ago, bigrednole said:

The issue is that Covid is not like other viruses according to some doctors. It also does not fully leave the body for up to 3 months (according to HHS). There is no need to take a test for at least 90 days after infection because all tests will come back positive.

I'm a bit confused by what you are saying.  Wouldn't that imply that the president would still be testing positive?  Same question for professional athletes we have heard about that tested positive, then after a week or two, tested negative, allowing them to return to their sport.  Wouldn't they continue to test positive for 90 days?  Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?

Edited October 28, 2020 by time4u2go