Edibles?

[not-enough-cruising]

3 minutes ago, chfenton said:

WIth all due respect that's my point for discussion- Tramadol for instance is a category IV controlled substance according to the DEA - hence we can't buy them in the US without a prescription.

With all due respect, there is a list as long as a cruise ship of medications you can’t buy in the US without a prescription. You can however buy them in foreign countries freely, and bring them back to the US, legally. 
 

I personally have never seen any opioids for sale in a Mexican port, so the Ultram is a moot point as far as I am concerned. 

[Charles4515]

4 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Where did they state that?  I must have missed it.

They said it on Cruise Critic. Not on this thread. It is easy to search Cruise Critic. As a long time member I know how. They have probably posted enough about their upcoming cruise to be easily found. 

[chfenton]

4 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

I was answering the question of why some people think they are above the law. If you want to compare going above the speed limit with committing a felony you just want to argue. There is any case in the news about a couple caught with 100 bags of Marijuana. They claimed it should have been okay because it was just for personal use. Lots of people come up with rationalizations for criminal acts. 

This is a very interesting conversation to me as there are many valid points of view (in my humble opinion).  Slippery slope comes to mind again-  in many states going 20 mph or more above the limit is also a felony.

[mjkacmom]

5 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

I was answering the question of why some people think they are above the law. If you want to compare going above the speed limit with committing a felony you just want to argue. There is any case in the news about a couple caught with 100 bags of Marijuana. They claimed it should have been okay because it was just for personal use. Lots of people come up with rationalizations for criminal acts. 

You can’t see a difference between 100 bags of weed and cbd which does even cause a high? Do you agree that passenger with what is equivalent to a melatonin tablet should’ve been thrown off, arrested and banned?

[time4u2go]

1 minute ago, mjkacmom said:

You can’t see a difference between 100 bags of weed and cbd which does even cause a high? Do you agree that passenger with what is equivalent to a melatonin tablet should’ve been thrown off, arrested and banned?

I think you left out the word "not", in a very important context.  Might want to fix it while you can.

[jakeil7]

24 minutes ago, fac429 said:

We sailed to Alaska this past summer.  I'm from California, where it's legal.  Boarded our ship in Washington where it is also legal.  Stopped in ports in Alaska and Canada, legal in both cases.  The one place I was NOT allowed to have anything was on the ship.  Was kind of funny, but I played along.  I figure if I can't go a week without gummies then maybe it's time to think about whether I should really be doing them.

The problem is that while you are on this ship you are in the Bahamas (or wherever the ship is flagged). That means it is illegal on the ship.

 

And we won’t get into the discussion about “shipping” controlled goods across the border even when they are legal in both places. 

[chfenton]

7 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

With all due respect, there is a list as long as a cruise ship of medications you can’t buy in the US without a prescription. You can however buy them in foreign countries freely, and bring them back to the US, legally. 
 

I personally have never seen any opioids for sale in a Mexican port, so the Ultram is a moot point as far as I am concerned. 

I will let others validate but its certainly not moot, as I have purchased Tramadol many times in the pharmacy inside cozumel port.

[Charles4515]

Just now, mjkacmom said:

You can’t see a difference between 100 bags of weed and cbd which does even cause a high? Do you agree that passenger with what is equivalent to a melatonin tablet should’ve been thrown off, arrested and banned?

I am answering about how people rationalize when they do something prohibited. To the law prohibition and ship prohibition though there no difference between one bag and 100 bags of weed. 

[chfenton]

13 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

With all due respect, there is a list as long as a cruise ship of medications you can’t buy in the US without a prescription. You can however buy them in foreign countries freely, and bring them back to the US, legally. 
 

I personally have never seen any opioids for sale in a Mexican port, so the Ultram is a moot point as far as I am concerned. 

Also I just checked--not sur eif this will impact any of your future purchases but I believe your understanding is incorrect. Per the FDA official website:

 

"FDA does not permit personal importation of unapproved versions of FDA-approved drugs from foreign countries. FDA cannot assure that foreign-made versions of FDA-approved drugs have been properly manufactured, are safe and effective, and are the same formulation as the FDA-approved versions".

[TeeRick]

Lots of interesting drug discussion here, but honestly the OP's question was about a few gummies to relax.  Nevertheless, why take a chance on this?  Lot's of other legal ways to relax.

[alfaeric]

13 minutes ago, mjkacmom said:

You can’t see a difference between 100 bags of weed and cbd which does even cause a high? Do you agree that passenger with what is equivalent to a melatonin tablet should’ve been thrown off, arrested and banned?

People may be able to see the difference, but federal law does not.  And that's what is being asked to break.

 

If people want to truly be OK with taking it, they need to do a better job making it federally legal in the US as well as other port of calls.  This is a ship and a border crossing, so it's NOT about state laws, it's all about federal laws- however fair you think they are.

 

Also, IMHO, it's fair to ban someone for life if they break a federal law on board.  That's hardly draconian, if someone goes to jail breaking a federal law on board, it's not really that far from climbing the outside of the ship- which isn't illegal, but is punishable by permanent ban.

 

Again, if you don't want to violate a federal law, get the law changed.  The people who deal with it would LOVE it, as they would be able to get real banking support for their work.  And I fully agree that there's hardly any difference between this and alcohol.  Let alone the tax revenue that would replace the war on drugs spending.  win-win.

 

But if you want to try, and hope that you don't get caught, go for it.  Just don't expect any sympathy if you get banned for life and go to jail/pay fines.  You know and are aware of the risks.

[TYMAN]

Dang, three pages and not one comment about the only edibles I'm aware of.............panties. 😉 

[F27TW]

1 hour ago, JeffT237 said:

 

Yeah I don't think a business enforcing its own posted rules is Draconian. 

 

You missed the joke 😉

 

[F27TW]

2 hours ago, jerryg95 said:

Definitely don't bring flower.

 

What?

[crewsweeper]

If these are CBD gummies and you take them in your carry on and do not carry the container out of your cabin , or off the ship and do not leave it out for cabin stewards to see, no one will know.

Security at port doesn't check carry ons unless they detect something in the scanner, typically liquor or wine bottles.  Foreign port authorities don't come on ships to search cabins for gummies unless there is another reason for them to search your particular cabin. 

You do run the risk of being stopped for anything outside of the ship while in port and the authorities confiscating your product.

If your gummies are labelled as containing THC, you might run a different set of risks. Medical marijuana products are still against Federal law, but a doctor's prescription might carry weight for bringing on board. Just don't take it off ship. 

And for those flaming, CBD oil is NOT medical marijuana.

[chengkp75]

2 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

But clearly, if that is the draconian approach the lines are currently taking, not worth it!

Just so you realize, that if a crew member was found with edibles, there would not be any discussion, they would be fired immediately, and have to pay their own way home.  All ships operate under different laws than places on land, regardless of what country you are in, or what country the ship is flagged in.  For instance, in Holland, edibles are legal (or at least decriminalized), but on HAL ships, that fly the Dutch flag, the edibles are illegal on the ships.  This is due to international shipping conventions from the IMO, that all "flag states" have become signatory to, that restrict drug and alcohol use on ships. So, even if the US federal government made edibles legal, they still would not be allowed on any ship, anywhere in the world.

[cruiseguy1016]

31 minutes ago, TYMAN said:

Dang, three pages and not one comment about the only edibles I'm aware of.............panties. 😉 

 

That was my first thought too when I read the title. I was trying to imagine where that thread was going to go.

[Tree_skier]

You are crossing an international border... It is illegal and highly irresponsible to bring them onboard.  You subjecting yourself to an extreme risk.

[Tatka]

3 hours ago, leisuretraveler223 said:

 

That's a bit of a draconian view.  Clearly, the laws and views on these products are rapidly changing and a widely varied depending on the locale.  I do not think I'm "above the law".  That's honestly why I asked.  If they're just going to take them away (a.k.a. the pocket knife at the airport), then I'm cool with it.  But seeing the honesty shocking action taken by Carnival, yeah, it's a hard pass for me.  

 

 

Where is it changing? Definitely not worldwide.

[fac429]

29 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Just so you realize, that if a crew member was found with edibles, there would not be any discussion, they would be fired immediately, and have to pay their own way home.  All ships operate under different laws than places on land, regardless of what country you are in, or what country the ship is flagged in.  For instance, in Holland, edibles are legal (or at least decriminalized), but on HAL ships, that fly the Dutch flag, the edibles are illegal on the ships.  This is due to international shipping conventions from the IMO, that all "flag states" have become signatory to, that restrict drug and alcohol use on ships. So, even if the US federal government made edibles legal, they still would not be allowed on any ship, anywhere in the world.

 

And even if THIS changed they still wouldn't let you bring weed on the ship.  They want you to buy the drink package!  (Though if it ever truly became legal I look forward to buying the "UDP," or "Unlimited Dank Package.)

 

1 hour ago, jakeil7 said:

The problem is that while you are on this ship you are in the Bahamas (or wherever the ship is flagged). That means it is illegal on the ship.

 

I wasn't questioning that it was illegal on the ship- or wondering the reason.  I just thought it was amusing that it was the one place I wasn't allowed to do it out of all the places we visited (and come from).  

 

[The Scurvy Pirate]

1 hour ago, HicksRA said:

I normally carry a gun everywhere I go. I know they say I can’t bring one onboard, but I’ve never shot anyone, so do you think it’d be O K???  
I am special and feel that I’m above the law. 

I see the sarcasm font is working.  But, a true experience.  My mother in law bought a big duffle (with lots of pockets/space) from an old army/navy store in her town.  She cleaned it, washed it, etc. and then packed for her cruise.  Once on board she was called to security, escorted off the ship and detained/questioned for over an hour.  Apparently, there was one empty .556 cartridge stuck/tucked in a spot/pocket she clearly didn't check and it set off the metal detector.  She was eventually let back on the ship literally minutes before the doors were closed.  She can laugh at it now, but in the moment it was tramatic.

[mjkacmom]

1 hour ago, Charles4515 said:

I am answering about how people rationalize when they do something prohibited. To the law prohibition and ship prohibition though there no difference between one bag and 100 bags of weed. 

So you think the punishment for 100 bags of weed (I don’t think that’s even legal in states where pot is legal) to cbd (which is legal in the US)https://www.forbes.com/health/cbd/cbd-legalization-by-state/#:~:text=At the federal level%2C CBD,is not a controlled substance. should be equal? Shouldn’t the punishment fit the crime? Insane. So rum runners get confiscated, but a substance that has no inebriating ingredients gets one arrested?

[mjkacmom]

1 hour ago, alfaeric said:

People may be able to see the difference, but federal law does not.  And that's what is being asked to break.

 

If people want to truly be OK with taking it, they need to do a better job making it federally legal in the US as well as other port of calls.  This is a ship and a border crossing, so it's NOT about state laws, it's all about federal laws- however fair you think they are.

 

Also, IMHO, it's fair to ban someone for life if they break a federal law on board.  That's hardly draconian, if someone goes to jail breaking a federal law on board, it's not really that far from climbing the outside of the ship- which isn't illegal, but is punishable by permanent ban.

 

Again, if you don't want to violate a federal law, get the law changed.  The people who deal with it would LOVE it, as they would be able to get real banking support for their work.  And I fully agree that there's hardly any difference between this and alcohol.  Let alone the tax revenue that would replace the war on drugs spending.  win-win.

 

But if you want to try, and hope that you don't get caught, go for it.  Just don't expect any sympathy if you get banned for life and go to jail/pay fines.  You know and are aware of the risks.

CBD is legal in states, THC is not legal in every state.

[dallasdan]

Carnival has dogs you have to walk past when boarding the ships.  I am not sure if dogs can smell edibles especially if you pack them with other vitamin gummies.  I wouldn't put them in your carry on bag, like the lady that was banned did.  Something set off the xray and when they searched her bag they found the CBD gummies.  My thoughts are she went crazy and was belligerent to security, is why she received the life time ban.  

[hannibal54]

3 hours ago, F27TW said:

Word of the day:  "Draconian". 😁

 

I was thinking the same thing.